An possible 2-C to 2-B to 2-A Winx Club

Before i get into the meat and pottoes of this conversation . I noticed a few things that was not previously mentioned in the upgrade thread for Bloom ( 2-C one , not 2-A ) . One of them is, the interesting amount of evidence that Acheron is weaker than even the weakest villains in the series and even Bloom's average transformations. The reason why this is so important is because Acheron's feat is actually an At least 2-C to 2-B feat, and pointing this out would mean an massive possibility that it was consistent from the very beginning :

The possibility of an " At least 2-C / High end 2-C " Winx Club :

1. 1: Bloom was never stated or even implied to have been at full power even in her Mythix form . She was fighting him for that long to try to fond a way to seal him, and distract him. Besides, it was even mentioned that their Mythic transformations were needed to go into the Legendarium . in other words, Bloom using Mythix in her fight with Achereon had NOTHING to do with Acheron's raw power and threat level.

1. 2: With the previous bosses , Bloom had the intentions of killing her enemies so they would never threaten the Magic Dimension , but wound up sealing them. Specifically with Acheron, her goal from the start was to seal his power , not necessarily kill him . If he killed him, all the magic he stole would be lost forever. Which basically means they did not consider Acheron as much of a threat as their previous formidable enemies.

1. 3 : The whole fact that they mention that Acheron is far inferior to even the GD & Dragon's Flame confused me at first. But, the scary thing is they didn't mention explicitly mention the Dragon Flame 's form, but The Dragon Flame itself , which means base Dragon Flame without the transformations behind it , the one that her base human form and first fairy form scale to.

This means that Acheron's feat is just his own, and he doesn't scale to any one, but almost everyone worth a damn ( anyone stronger than Bloom's Base Form would scale. Once at least 4-5 others agree on this , I will post my reasons for a possibly At least 2-C to 2-B Bloom , and Winx Club afterwards.

The possibility of an " At least 2-B / High end 2-B " Winx Club

The possibility of an At least 2-B Winx Club can only be acheived if you accepted the absolute lowball requirements of an At least 2-C Winx Club. Acheron created the Legendarium. The Legendarium has every myth in the entire Magic Dimension, which has 21 realms ( space-times ) & many planets. One of these planets includes Earth. The Earth has a lot of myths , and even saying that there are 50 of them is guaranteed a lowball , due to the amount of different religions that existed, and a separate series of myths associated with each religion ( around 100 if i am counting ) right, and even that might be a lowball . This is not even mentioning the possibility that there aren't limited to that , due to the myths of mythological creatures , scientific myths , magical myths , and all of the totality of myths that existed since the beginning of Earth's history. This is not mentioning all of the myths in Alfea ,& the other 19 realms and numerous planets, which if you combine it might very well be close to 2-B . Due to the fact that Bloom scales to this Legendarium more than likely in even her base form, plus the fact that the differences between transformations is massive , and the possibility of 2-B increases exponentially.

The possibility of an " The possobility of an At leaat 2-A / High end 2-A " Winx Club

To be honest i never thought to bring this point up again up again . An possible 2-A Winx Club. This is NOT attempting to upgrade, but actually pointing out a few things that i felt wasn't properly mentioned in the 2-A revision thread. If it does go to an 2-A upgrade... I would be speechless. This is simply possibility , not absolute without a shadow of a doubt fact. Before i get into it fully ... Allow me to debunk the true reason why the quote from before was not accepted ( NO i am serious , this same reasoning was the reason why 2-A Winx Club was debunked , nothing else.. ) : " It is a Low 2-C feat at best ... " . This really triggered me then , but i did not have the courage to speak out then. For that i humbly apologize Kukui, for your upgrade very well might have gone through. Anyways, do you remember exactly how big the Magic Dimension/Universe is ? It is filled with 21 realms and an uncountable number of planets. Each of these realms have their own space-time , as suggested in the previous revision thread many times . If the Magic Dimension itself is Low 2-C as suggested, the number of timelines ( 21 space-times / 2-C ) wouldn't fit into an Low 2-C timeline .

With that out of the way, let's get into two possible interpretations of the " Infinite Magic Universe " quote. Before getting into it again , they say Universe and Dimension interchangeably . It is just a name of their world, not neccessarily what it is. So plesae don't downplay what i am about to say based on the name of the world .. Because if you do, you didn't read what i said here.

The two possible interpretations of teh " Infinite Magic Universe " is how big the Multiverse is in question , and how many realms there are. Both of these are justified by things that have not been completely mentioned. Faragonda explaining what the Magic Dimension was is nice and everything, but she wouldn't know how big it truly is, nor know exactly how many realms the Magic Dimension has. She is very smart, but she would not have knowledge about how many realms the Magic Dimension has. The most likely of the two is that both are intertwined, but infinite realms is more likely than how big the Multiverse is.

With that out of the way, how in the world would this scale ? Pretty easy to figure out how high on the 2-A scale is. Remember, Acheron created the Legendarium without any conceivable effort, which had the myths of every realm in the Magic Dimension ( which we mentioned as infinite / infinite number of realms ) . Each one of these myths are a space-time within the Legendarium. Even when assuming that every planet and Realm only has one myth, which is an absolute lowball ( considering that the possibility of Earth & Alfea having more than a million myths is not unlikely ) than it would still be 2-A . High end 2-A if you take the number of Earth's and Alfea's myths and combined them into that occassion, so an infinite number of myths plus at least millions of myths from Earth and Alfea... You get what i mean.

Bloom scales to Acheron ridiculously casually in even her base form, something i previously mentioned about three times. So she would definitely be 2-A via scaling to Acheron. Even if we forget that, GD creating infinite number of realms casually, with the power of Base Dragon Flame , which is Bloom's Base Power , would still make her an casual 2-A. Every one of the villians would scale to such power, the villians mentioned in previous plus Fargonda and the Earth Fairies ( The Earth Fairies scale to some of Bloom's more powerful transformations , so yeah... ridiculously high end 2-A ) would scale.

This just puts bloom at a high end of 2-C. I suppose at best at least 2-C

^ I know. This is what i thought originally before something i discovered. It is about the Legendarium containing every Myth in the Magic Dimension, not just the ones we see, but the ones we have to infer . Not goint to spoil what i am thinking about, only when 2-3 others agree.

What?

Technically it is possible. For every story in the legendarium equals its own separate reality as the stories in the legendarium are real. And as mentioned there are quite a lot of them. The magic dimension is not the only place where its myths would be inside it. The legendairum would also have myths from places such as earth since magic used to be on earth during its ancient days and has come back to earth in S4.

Its just that, we might need to be more concrete before jumping to 2-B.

Thank you for agreeing somewhat Kukui. I am mostly working on At least 2-C basically . That and of itself would be a accomplishment . I understand that this may seem farfetch'd , but i thought i might as well show the possibility of it occuring is not as unlikely as many thought. Let's get started with . Acheron created the Legendarium. The Legendarium has every myth in the entire Magic Dimension, which has 21 realms ( space-times ) & many planets. One of these planets includes Earth. The Earth has a lot of myths , and even saying that there are 50 of them is guaranteed a lowball , due to the amount of different religions that existed, and a separate series of myths associated with each religion ( around 100 if i am counting ) right, and even that might be a lowball . This is not even mentioning the possibility that there aren't limited to that , due to the myths of mythological creatures , scientific myths , magical myths , and all of the totality of myths that existed since the beginning of Earth's history. This is not mentioning all of the myths in Alfea ,& the other 19 realms and numerous planets, which if you combine it might very well be close to 2-B . Due to the fact that Bloom scales to this Legendarium more than likely in even her base form, plus the fact that the differences between transformations is massive , and the possibility of 2-B increases exponentially.

Bumping because this is a very significant upgrade for the verse.

Bump Again because like previously mentioned, this is almost as drastic upgrade as the 2-A one, except more plausible . I am very sad that this is only gotten attention by two people... Anyways , The above post would easily scale to even Bloom's Basic form, so essentially she casually scales to Acheron , a high end 2-B / Extemely ridiculously high end 2-C in her most basic form . However, to be sure everyone has gotten my original points ... let's do a quick recap :

Acheron created the Legendarium , seemingly without much effort on his part , otherwise it would have been mentioned within the storyline . The Legendarium is explicitly mentioned to have all the myths of the entire Magic Dimension. The Magic Dimension in the first episode is said to have 21 realms and an uncountable amount of planets , so even just looking at it without analyzing,, that would be a LOT of myths . Each of these myths within the Legendarium have realms/space-times within each of them , some even have 2-3, and possibly even more space-times within a myth . Let's talk about JUST Earth, which is one of the planets , if we mention every myth that ever existed ( EVERY myth , not just ones we know, but every myth that has been discovered and has not been discovered ) within Earth's past and present , it could reach the 2-B range and may very well be well into it . Adding this into the fact that we have not even mentioned the other realms, which may have more or at least a comparable amount of myths . Like Alfea, which is a realm explicitly designed to be an magical dimension , should by extension have far more myths than even Earth by an exponential margin . This is not taking into account the other sentient planets that also very well have myths, and the Legendarium Feat jumps from high end 2-C to well into / high-end 2-B .

We can safely say that even Bloom's Base Form scales to Acheron casually because they explicitly mention and heavily imply that Acheron is far weaker than her Dragon Flame , which is implied to be her base power instead of with transformations , as they never mention her transformations, just the Great Dragon's Power, which is the base Dragon's Flame , which her base form completely rivals due to having that power herself.

This scaling above is not even including her transformations, which each increase her powers exponentially than the previous form . This is shown many times throughout the series, such as with many of the series final bosses . She has eleven forms after Charmix , so eventually she would reach 2-B by her second transformation, maybe third transformation, even if one would disagree about 2-B being her base .

If you now agree with high-end 2-B now being Bloom's Base , there are many entities within the lore of Winx Club that would scale. Honestly, only people that scale directly to even Bloom's Basic Full Power would scale to Acheron and the Legendarium Feat.Here are the following whom should scale : Great Dragon ( One of the most obvious to scale . ) , Valtor ( Scales to Enchantrix form [ slightly weaker, but scales ] , which is far stronger than her Charmix Form , which is far stronger than her Base form, which is far superior to Acheron period . ) , Darkar , Dark Bloom ( Scales to Bloom's Charmix form, whom is massively above Acheron ) , Arcacia & The Etheral Fairies , Trix ( With various power ups ) , Bloomix WInx ( High end 2-C / 2-B because they only scale to a fraction of Bloom's Base Dragon Flame Power , whom is still above Acheron by an massive margin ) , Dalphne ( Former bearer of Dragon's Flame and is still shhould be comparable to Bloom's Charmix Form ) ,

Bump because previous points warrant an upgrade of some sort.

ANGRY BUMP. If no one will attempt to argue.. Can someone just open the Bloom page so i can make the changes ?

You need to be patient and wait for the staff to come and check this out first.

I am so sorry. I have... Just been a bit off today. I'll try to be more patient.

Bump.

Sorry for the bump with a point i never though to bring up again . An possible 2-A Winx Club. This is NOT attempting to upgrade, but actually pointing out a few things that i felt wasn't properly mentioned in the 2-A revision thread. If it does go to an 2-A upgrade... I would be speechless. This is simply possibility , not absolute without a shadow of a doubt fact. Before i get into it fully ... Allow me to debunk the true reason why the quote from before was not accepted ( NO i am serious , this same reasoning was the reason why 2-A Winx Club was debunked , nothing else.. ) : " It is a Low 2-C feat at best ... " . This really triggered me then , but i did not have the courage to speak out then. For that i humbly apologize Kukui, for your upgrade very well might have gone through. Anyways, do you remember exactly how big the Magic Dimension/Universe is ? It is filled with 21 realms and an uncountable number of planets. Each of these realms have their own space-time , as suggested in the previous revision thread many times . If the Magic Dimension itself is Low 2-C as suggested, the number of timelines ( 21 space-times / 2-C ) wouldn't fit into an Low 2-C timeline .

With that out of the way, let's get into two possible interpretations of the " Infinite Magic Universe " quote. Before getting into it again , they say Universe and Dimension interchangeably . It is just a name of their world, not neccessarily what it is. So plesae don't downplay what i am about to say based on the name of the world .. Because if you do, you didn't read what i said here.

The two possible interpretations of teh " Infinite Magic Universe " is how big the Multiverse is in question , and how many realms there are. Both of these are justified by things that have not been completely mentioned. Faragonda explaining what the Magic Dimension was is nice and everything, but she wouldn't know how big it truly is, nor know exactly how many realms the Magic Dimension has. She is very smart, but she would not have knowledge about how many realms the Magic Dimension has. The most likely of the two is that both are intertwined, but infinite realms is more likely than how big the Multiverse is.

With that out of the way, how in the world would this scale ? Pretty easy to figure out how high on the 2-A scale is. Remember, Acheron created the Legendarium without any conceivable effort, which had the myths of every realm in the Magic Dimension ( which we mentioned as infinite / infinite number of realms ) . Each one of these myths are a space-time within the Legendarium. Even when assuming that every planet and Realm only has one myth, which is an absolute lowball ( considering that the possibility of Earth & Alfea having more than a million myths is not unlikely ) than it would still be 2-A . High end 2-A if you take the number of Earth's and Alfea's myths and combined them into that occassion, so an infinite number of myths plus at least millions of myths from Earth and Alfea... You get what i mean.

Bloom scales to Acheron ridiculously casually in even her base form, something i previously mentioned about three times. So she would definitely be 2-A via scaling to Acheron. Even if we forget that, GD creating infinite number of realms casually, with the power of Base Dragon Flame , which is Bloom's Base Power , would still make her an casual 2-A. Every one of the villians would scale to such power, the villians mentioned in previous plus Fargonda and the Earth Fairies ( The Earth Fairies scale to some of Bloom's more powerful transformations , so yeah... ridiculously high end 2-A ) would scale.

Bump.

You do not need to bump every few hours, usually bumps are done every day or so. If you want more input, why not message the thread on the walls of people who replied to previous Winx threads?

Oh... I am sorry. I did notify Kukui, but forgot to mention the others. I will do that momentarily , Do you.. agree with the changes ?

@2nd I don't know anything about Winx except one of them has red hair and a blue outfit and the changes are too contextual to piece much together from just the OP.

Perhaps it's better if all of the suggestions get edited into the OP instead of having essay-long replies? Not being rude btw seed.

^ No worries. I will do so in a bit... Just not sure if all of it will fit. Is the suggestions legitimate Kukui ? You are one of the best when it comes to Winx... I trust your opinion on Winx above the admins here.

I kind of agree with Kukui for now. I can see 2-B if there is really a universe per each myth/religion in existence (which doesn't seem to be too well sourced of a claim right now) But I am uncertain about 2-A.

2-A I have doubts about but 2-B seems incredibly possible. And yes Ryuama there is a universe per myth as when the winx go into the legendarium after obtaining mythix the world's the stories take places in are different from one another and they are real worlds as fictional stories are made real in the legendarium.

However, there's something about Bloom that's been bothering me lately.

ProfessorKukui4Life said:

2-A I have doubts about but 2-B seems incredibly possible. And yes Ryuama there is a universe per myth as when the winx go into the legendarium after obtaining mythix the world's the stories take places in are different from one another and they are real worlds as fictional stories are made real in the legendarium.

However, there's something about Bloom that's been bothering me lately.

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couldnt they just be diffrent planets in the same univere?

As far as the legendarium goes no. Because not only is that never remotely implied, if that was true then all of the stories, legends, etc would take place/be apart of the same story which clearly isnt true.

@Ryukama

Thanks for showing up. I honestly doubted you would. Anyways... 2-A Winx Club is only if you think the two possible interpretations i mentioned are somewhat reasonable. Otherwise... It is a no-go. I Like mentioned, i am not arguing for an 2-A Winx Club , I am arguing mainly for an high end 2-B Winx Club. 2-A is just the icing on the cake for me IF the quote is taken as it is , and IF the quote is not an outlier ( Because the Magic Dimension has quite a few space-time worlds inside of it, so it can be considered within the definition of an multiverse, not just a universe. But, how you interpret it is up to you guys. I am just here to bring out the possibilities .

@Darkmoncns

I completely doubt it. Same reasons as Kukui TBH .

ProfessorKukui4Life said:

As far as the legendarium goes no. Because not only is that never remotely implied, if that was true then all of the stories, legends, etc would take place/be apart of the same story which clearly isnt true.

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isnt it implyed because its called an alternet univeres not an alternet multivevers when its explaned? or do I misremeber the episode?

Your right. It is called alternate universes inside the Legendarium. But, even if each myth is just an low 2-C Universe , it doesn't really change anything.

The 2nd Existential Seed said:

Your right. It is called alternate universes inside the Legendarium. But, even if each myth is just an low 2-C Universe , it doesn't really change anything.

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if its just called an alternate univeres wouldnt that imply that its just one univeres?

I am still not undersanding what you are implying... If you are implying that all of them fit into one universe, they do not imply that They mention that each one of them are separate based on the myths in question. So, each myth has their own separate realm inside the Legendarium essentially .

that could just mean that they are on spret planets in the univeres if they were sepret univereses then why is the Legendarium reffred to as a singal univeres and not multiple?

It is due to impications . You have to use doorways to access different myths. If it was just planets, due to their speed, they could have just flown from one world to the next, but they had to use doorways to access each myth.

1 it could just faster to use the door way (havent seen the more resent seasens so I dont know the context of the events)

2 they could just not know how to get there otherwise.

2-B sounds ok

Excellent. Another mod whom agrees with 2-B . Thanks Cal. If I may ask, what makes you disagree with 2-A ?

Okay clearing things up.

For one, the legendarium is not called a universe. It's a dimension which in most cases is completely different. Like the magic dimension it's a dimension with universes inside of it, not just being a single universe.

Secondly, again, it is never once implied that each story takes place on diffrent planets as if it were true, then every myth in the legendarium would take place in the same story which is wrong completely. They take place in completely different places and times. And we know there are different realities in the legendarium. Hell theres an entire universe JUST for the Doorway of the Worlds which is apparently an omniscient being in the verse.

@Seed

Honestly, lets drop 2-A (for now at least). Lets not try n push it and we should be more concrete. 2-B is a good step right now.

2-B seems fine

I understand. I will drop it ( for now. ) . That's two mods now. Very great progress. Thanks, Dragon.

Also I'm fully aware this is not the thread for this and I apologize but while rewatching some episodes I forgot to add in some very obvious hax abilities and things Bloom should currently have right now that weren't added in. If not too much trouble when we perform the upgrades can these abilities also be added? Especially when I'll most likely make the additions.

As others have said, I also think 2-B sounds reasonable.

Alrighty. Since mods have found 2-B to be acceptable it would seem the upgrade will more than likely go through.

To go with it, i'll list the hax I pointed out that should be on Blooms profile and I would like an opinion on them from some people.

Emotio and Willpower Manipulation- The Believix power allows the user to not only make victims forcibly believe in fairies/magic (at least temporarily) but it also allows them to affect someones inner feelings, will and emotions.

Atomization and Resistance to it- The winx can use their magic to reduce their targets down to magic particles

Power/Hax Nullification- The winx can reverse and nullify spells and their effects, especially when they use their Enchantix Fairy Dust.

Power Reflection- Bloom can make a magic barrier that stops an attack and sends it back at the opponent

Shapeshifting- The winx can use their magic to shapeshift themselves and others into things.

Can breathe underwater- Harmonix and Sirenix

Reactive Evolution- The winx can trigger their own transformations when doing a certain act; Bloom literally willed herself an Enchantix Transformation (though incomplete) when it shouldve been impossible for her due to not naturally meeting the requirements.

Conceptual Manipulation and Resistance to it- I still believe the Great Dragon creating all magic before the birth of the Magic Dimension should warrant this but incase its not enough, the winx were able to destroy a special curse the 3 Ancestrial Witches placed on the concept of Sirenix, a curse like what it did to Daphne, without being affected by it themselves.

Resistance to attacks and hax that target the soul- Tritannus can use his normal everyday energy attacks made of his dark magic power to hit, absorb powers from, and even harm Daphne, whom was in her spirit Non-Corperal form at the time. The winx can easily survive said attacks with no problem.

Resistance to Transmutation/Mutating- Tritannus's everyday attacks can also mutate many victims upon contact alone. The winx can shrug these attacks off while preventing themselves from turning into one of his mutated monsters.