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Sub-Relativistic Naruto?

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I think that it seems reasonable.
 
I much prefer to wait and see what other people think first.
 
True but they also said that "In regards to the toneri speed calc done in this blog, it would probably be a good idea to wait until the movie can be downloaded as there was a scene in the movie where we saw a clear view of naruto's moon compared to naruto's planet which one could use to measure just how big naruto's moon actually is"

So i think we should wait until someone can do what he said...
 
Quincy King said:
True but they also said that "In regards to the toneri speed calc done in this blog, it would probably be a good idea to wait until the movie can be downloaded as there was a scene in the movie where we saw a clear view of naruto's moon compared to naruto's planet which one could use to measure just how big naruto's moon actually is"
So i think we should wait until someone can do what he said...
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https://m.youtube.com/?reload=7&rdm=1l1ggh7in#/watch?v=_sYwwVrGuH0

I don't know what scene they were talking about specifically, but @ 1:14:24 there was a pretty good shot of the moon compared to Naruto's planet in my opinion. To me it looks like a normal moon and earth in size.
 
@ Non-Bias: Your link doesn't work on my browser. And I'm still looking whether the sword actually crossed the diameter of the moon in a second as it doesn't seem like that but the size of naruto's planet is slightly larger than the size of earth. So by scaling the size of the moon (naruto's moon) to naruto's planet we can get it's size and diameter.

@ Undylan: Scroll down on the comment section. The last comment says "It's to short to even do a blog on really.

Toneri's sword length > moon diameter. Takes about 1 second to extend to full length.

Moon = 3475km. 3475km/s = mach 10,131.2.

Little lower than I thought. Meh, whatever."
 
Undylan said:
The link sends me to a calc blog about fairy fail not naruto.
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It's at the very bottom of the link. Lazy walks mentioned that he found a mach 12,000 feat in The Last, but once he calculated it, it was mach 10,131.
 
Teufel Dunkelheit said:
@ Non-Bias: Your link doesn't work on my browser. And I'm still looking whether the sword actually crossed the diameter of the moon in a second as it doesn't seem like that but the size of naruto's planet is slightly larger than the size of earth. So by scaling the size of the moon (naruto's moon) to naruto's planet we can get it's size and diameter.
@ Undylan: Scroll down on the comment section. The last comment says "It's to short to even do a blog on really.

Toneri's sword length > moon diameter. Takes about 1 second to extend to full length.

Moon = 3475km. 3475km/s = mach 10,131.2.

Little lower than I thought. Meh, whatever."
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https://m.youtube.com/?reload=7&rdm=1l1ggh7in#/watch?v=_sYwwVrGuH0

@ 1:33:10 you can see how fast Toneri's sword extends past the moon's diameter. I mean it really was too short for a blog.
 
I took a look at it and yeah I agree that Toneri's sword would've most likely been able to extend at mach 10000+ speed but naruto never reacted to it's extension speed but rather he reacted to Toneri swinging the sword which would've likely taken around 5 or 6 seconds to cut the moon i.e travel he diameter of the moon. This would result in around mach 2000 for Naruto's reaction speed and nothing more so this wouldn't change anything really.
 
The problem I have with the comment calc it doesn't have any scans with pixel scaling or any other means of calculations to support its numbers
 
Dude Toneri's Sword extension speed is most probably mach 10,000+ I can calmly say this but it doesn't really mean much for naruto's speed as he never dodged or reacted to the sword's extension speed but rather reacted to Toneri swinging the sword which should've taken 5-6 seconds to cut the moon i.e travel he diameter of the moon. This would result in around mach 2000 for Naruto's reaction speed and nothing more.
 
Did it really take only a second to extend? And has someone actually measuered the sword's length? Also this is ability activation, which has always been treated as instant due to various inconsistencies ability activation speed feats create...
 
Teufel Dunkelheit said:
Dude Toneri's Sword extension speed is most probably mach 10,000+ I can calmly say this but it doesn't really mean much for naruto's speed as he never dodged or reacted to the sword's extension speed but rather reacted to Toneri swinging the sword which should've taken 5-6 seconds to cut the moon i.e travel he diameter of the moon. This would result in around mach 2000 for Naruto's reaction speed and nothing more.
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@ 1:35:00 Toneri used that same attack that cut the moon on Naruto, who managed to block the attack at the last second.
 
Mach 10,131 wouldn't apply to Naruto's combat speed but wouldn't it apply to Naruto's reaction speed and his attack speed?

LazyWaka also said this "You can probably power scale it to other upper god tiers attack speed though considering BSM Naruto was > him."

Also considering that the Naruto planet is > Earth, we can assume that their moon is also bigger than ours.

The actual result is probably between Mach 11,000 / 12,000 or even higher than that.
 
Like I said before The problem I have with the comment calc it doesn't have any scans with pixel scaling or any other means of calculations to support its numbers, for all we know his numbers are based on assumptions
 
"Like I said before The problem I have with the comment calc it doesn't have any scans with pixel scaling or any other means of calculations to support its numbers, for all we know his numbers are based on assumptions"

What do you mean? This is what the comment said "Toneri's sword length > moon diameter. Takes about 1 second to extend to full length. Moon = 3475km. 3475km/s = mach 10,131.2"

He assumed that the diameter of the Naruto moon is 3475km ( Which considering that the Naruto planet is bigger than Earth, their moon is even bigger than 3475km) and Toneri's sword took about 1 sec to extend to the full length.

He's not really scaling anything. He's just using the real life diameter of the moon for a low end for his calc.
 
He didn't have any scans with pixel scaling to prove the sword is that long, all he did was type some numbers without any scans or calcs posted to back said numbers up
 
Quincy King said:
He didn't have any scans with pixel scaling to prove the sword is that long, all he did was type some numbers without any scans or calcs posted to back said numbers up
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It was a pretty straightforward feat though that really didn't really require pixel scaling or something. They showed Toneri's hand. Next second he has a sword longer than the moon in said hand.
 
There are alot of straight foward feats that don't require pixil scaling but are calced anyway and turn out to be completly different Like piccolos moon feat , it was a straight foward feat, many thought it was just mooon level dc, but someone calced it and it turned out to be small planet level
 
Quincy King said:
There are alot of straight foward feats that don't require pixil scaling but are calced anyway and turn out to be completly different
Like piccolos moon feat , it was a straight foward feat, many thought it was just mooon level dc, but someone calced it and it turned out to be small planet level
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But why is calcing this so important when we have actual visual footage of the sword extending over 2,000 miles in a second? Everyone seems to accept it but you.

The feat isn't a outlier though. Using the PIS in the Naruto Gaiden doesn't change that, especially since Naruto and Kurama said that he was stabbed because he has "rusty"
 
Only 2 people here accept it you and sword slayer , you have to get couple of the admins and the more notable members of this to wiki to accept it which I doubt they would....
 
Quincy King said:
Only 2 people here accept it you and sword slayer , you have to get couple of the admins and the more notable members of this to wiki to accept it which I doubt they would....
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Well one admin seems to find it reasonable and I'm not seeing a total dismissal from everyone else so there's a chance that it can go through.
 
Quincy King said:
Only 2 people here accept it you and sword slayer , you have to get couple of the admins and the more notable members of this to wiki to accept it which I doubt they would....
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Make that 3 people lol
 
I personally find this calc. to be very straightforward and more than reasonable. I don't understand the confusion regarding the moon's size since I believe that the Naruto planet was calculated in the past to be slightly larger than our own, meaning that the moon would also be a bit larger (though using the "real" moon's diameter is fair). Even if there was no calc., using Occam's Razor we can naturally assume the moon is as big as ours until given reason to think otherwise.

With all that being said, I personally (feel free to disagree) think we should give Toneri Sub-Relativistic attack speed (but specify that it is only for that attack) while Naruto would get Sub-Relativistic reactions and maybe Sub-Relativistic attack speed (seeing as he was able to "charge up" his arm and punch the beam as it was flying towards him).

So yeah, I think this is reasonable but I guess we should see what other people think.
 
XAvatarLegendx said:
Lol this doesn't effect naruto at all, but nice calc I agree with it
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How doesn't it effect Naruto when he blocked Toneri's attack when he extended the sword towards him?
 
The youtube link won't work for me. I can't really say unless someone wants to provide another.
 
I've looked at the scene several times and I agree while at the same time I disagree with it.

Reason why I disagree with it is.

Simple calculation: I counted around ten steps (there were more but we can't really see them) Naruto made before his Rasengan came into contact with the Sword. Now let's say that the distance between Naruto and Toneri is 100 meters. This is a reasonable assumption in my opinion.

Average human step is around 0.75 meters wide so Naruto travelled 7.5 m or 750 cm in those ten steps. Naruto's base running speed is Hypersonic+ (I'm using his base running speed because he made most of his steps in base form) which is anywhere from mach 10 to 25. I'll assume the highest end for this. So Naruto's running speed is 8500 m/s or 850000 cm/s.

Ok when we divide 750 by 850000 we get 0.00088235294117647 as the timeframe as such he can cross 750 cm or 7.5 m in 0.00088235294117647 seconds.

Finally the first sword's extension speed is 3475 km/s or 347500000 cm/s. And when we multiply 347500000 by 0.00088235294117647 the sword can travel 306617.647058823325cm approx or 3066.17647058823325m approx in 0.00088235294117647 seconds.

Now the assumed distance was 100 meters so logically speaking Toneri's sword should've crossed a distance at least 30 times greater than the distance between Naruto and Toneri in the time that took Naruto to run 10 steps or it would've already traveled 306.617647058823325m (3X the distance between Naruto and Toneri) when Naruto took the first step. But it certainly did not and gave Naruto enough time to actually make ten steps. This leads me to believe that the extension speed of the second sword is far lower than that of the first sword.

There are some ways to disprove my calc but I'm certainly not going to say what they are lol.
 
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