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Game Bosses and Red Scaling

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I think that the first Gym leader Brock should be upgraded to Building level+. Why?

Because at that point of the game, you can have (or just simply, defeated/one shot) a LV 5 wild Pikachu, which, according to the Pokedex, its attack are comparable to real lightning to attack) and you face Brock with PKMN on levels around 10 or above.

So Red (Gen I, Beggining of the Game), should be changed to "At least Large Building level, likely higher (Can defeat or even one shot a wild Pikachu, which attacks are comparable to real lightning. Later on, was capaple of defeating Brock, who used a well trained Onix, which is stated to be as hard as diamonds and created many large tunnels according to the Pokédex)"

Same for Brock: "At least Large Building level, likely higher (Commands a well trained Onix, which can eat giant boulders and create massive tunnels according to the Pokédex. Comparable to Red, who at this point can defeat or even one-shot a wild Pikachu)"

Also, an upgrade for Lt. Surge and Red Mid-Game

There are some trainers that you fight before Surge, right? Well, one of them has a Magnemite...

Lt. Surge: "At least Multi-City Block level (As the Gym Leader, should be stronger than the trainers in his gym, one of them having a well trained Magnemite)"

Also, like I'm planning to make others profiles (Mainly Misty, Sabrina and Erika), I think that I should mention that, around Sabrina's point, normally the player has a fully evolved starter, the majority has one just when facing Erika. So, Sabrina, Konan, Blaine and Giovanni should be "Likely Town level for Sabrina and Konan, and "At least Town level" for Blaine and Giovanni

And Red (Mid Game): "At least Multi-City Block level (Beat Lt. Surge, Sabrina, Koga and Blaine), likely Town level (Should have a fully evolved starter by this point. Defeated Giovanni, who was the strongest Gym Leader by a considerable margin)"

And, for Black 2/White 2, the World Championship's Champions are more or less comparable to each other, for what I saw, the battles between the off-screen champions seemed kind of random in results, since one time A character beats B, and other B beats A. So, I think that B2/W2 Red, Blue, Lance (If he gets a profile) should scale from Cynthia, who is "At least Mountain level" with "At least Hypersonic, likely Hypersonic+" speed

I would apply the changes if this gets accepted.

That's all.

For now...
 
I completely forgt abot MCB Magnemite, welp. All these changes seem reasonable to me. Nice finds.
 
I have a little grip with this, we are saying that Pikachu's lightning attacks are 8-C problem is the lighting attacks its refering to is probably Thunderbolt or even Thunder, something no Pikachu at this stage would have.

It could be thundershock but i'm not completely convinced especially if we go by the descriptions of the attacks.
 
So, the Diglett is concluded, so now, I want to comment the upgrade for Red and Co. (I wanted to explain that in the Diglett thread, but....)

Oh, if you don't understand why Erika and Sabrina are Small Town, it's because, at those points, Red's team is close to evolve, and Transonic is because, shortly after tje fight against Sabrina, you gace Blue's Pidgeot. I'll create Misty's, Erika's and Sabrina's profiles later.

"At least Multi-City Block level (Defeated Brock, Misty and Lt. Surge. The former having pokemon stronger than a well trained Diglett and latter stronger than a well trained Magnemite), likely Small Town level (Beat Erika and Sabrina) | Town level (At this point, Red most have a fully evolved starter. Beat Koga and Blaine), likely higher (Defeated Giovanni, who was the strongest Gym Leader by a considerable margin)

"At least SuperHuman, likely Transonic (Kept pace with Brock's, Misty's, Lt. Surge's, Erika's and Sabrina's team) | Supersonic (Kept pace with Blue's team, who commands a well-trained Pidgeot)

(The rest of his stats would remaim the same. Same changes for Blue)
 
RadicalMrR said:
They should only be 8-A after Lt.Surge anything prior is 8-C.
Otherwise it seems ok.
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Diglett is 8-A.


Also, if they pass from 8-A to 7-C (Low end 7-C tbh) is reasonable

But the jump from 8-C to Mid 8-A is too high

Also, between Misty and Lt. Surge there little to no change in terms of power (via leveling), so that means that Misty has to be insanely stronger than Brock, which is not the case. Misty is stronger, but the gap isn't that huge.)
 
Misty is way stronger then brock also we only assume well trained diglet are capable of this, not any run of the mill one.
 
Em.... You know that pokedex is for Wild Pokemon, right? This means that a average one can do it.


Misty is not that stronger, just check her.
 
She is like 8 levels higher and stat wise Starmie destroys onix.

Ok a wild diglett, then what level is he? Because I doubt a Diglett that just hatched would be capable of this.

If we say Dugtrio, then if we look at this point in game more times then not the Dugtrio can easily devastate your team.
 
First of all, spam magnitude is not "devastate your team".


Second: The Diglett is on Lv 10, Brock's team is Lv 14, Misty has Lv 18 and Lv 21, Lt. Surge has a Lv 18 and some Lv 21-24.


While Surge could be close to MCB+, Brock has enough level to be comparable to wild Digletts
 
Yes and no.

Is like, DB's power level, good for basic scaling

Bad for linear scaling.


Stats, otherwise, are completely wrong.


And, If lvl are game mechanics, then Brock is MCB without question, since that Diglett would be at least on a wild level.
 
Ok, but that doesn't change the main thing: the trainer in Brock's gym has a Diglett, whick should be at least as strong as a wild one
 
I still say 8-C for Brock, his Diglett is way to weak. I just read the description this and dex entry that you calced is describing how he uses earthquake.

"A team of Diglett triplets. It triggers huge earthquakes by burrowing 60 miles underground"

Only the strongest of Dugtrio can do this as earthquake, it is only learned at level 50, say what you will about levels but they reflect both the power and how well trained a pokemon is and Brock's diglett is no where near this level of power.
 
He can dig 60 miles underground.

The earthquake thing is discarded.

The other feat is accepted.

Diglett is 8-A and Brock scales to that.
 
No i'm saying Brock's Diglett is to weak. Every single Pokemon uses there moves in different ways, it just so happens that the way Diglett uses earthquake by digging underground even if its a weak earthquake its still an earthquake.

Only top tier Dugtrio can do this this burrow thing, Brock's diglett is no where near that if it was I would agree.

To show how absurd this is Brock's diglett doesn't even know how to use dig offensively and only to get around.
 
"Only top tier"


No, at all. Pokedex entries are based on the wilds pokemon, if they were talking about only "special ones" they would clarify that.

"Extremely powerful" is used in general they not said:

"Only extremely powerful can do this"

They said: "Is extremely powerful because it can do this"


So yeah, average Diglett is 8-A


Is like if a say a Magnimite shouldn't be 8-A. Why?

Being honest, a mole is more dangerous than a magnet (Just saying. I'm not a sage)
 
Okay I have to agree on @Ever on the grounds we are using Pokémon level as it is purely game mechanics. In fact I recall that leveling up the Pokémon increased the stats of each Pokémon you have including legendary Pokémons as I have played at least two Pokémon games to know this stuff well.
 
If the Dex just says it can do (Insert impressive feat here) like with Magnemite or Tyranitar then I agree since we can't link it to a move or something but here we can link Dugtrio's 8-A feat to ether Dig or Earthquake, both attacks Diglett can learn but Brock doesn't qualify for ether.

Also they should be transsonic by Lt.Surge because of magnemite's sonicboom attack.
 
So if we using game mechanics, do they automatically get that move set naturally? (The question has already been answered quite obviously) In the anime, there were trainers who teach their Pokémon on how to use these moves, but without the level up system.
 
1) Dex is not about moves. Seriously, is like, I dont remember it's name, but there are pokemons without wings that learn fly of characters without moves that learn special punches.

Going about the Dex, it talks about what about they do normally not about moves. Sorry, but i have to really disagree with your reasoning here.

2) You can't dogde that.
 
Your thinking of Dodrio and the Dex gives a reason as to why he can fly, he runs so fast he can run on air.
 
Starkiller215 said:
So if we using game mechanics, do they automatically get that move set naturally? (The question has already been answered quite obviously) In the anime, there were trainers who teach their Pokémon on how to use these moves, but without the level up system.
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I... I... Did you read the comments?

Were not using game mechanics.

I only used once, just to proof that HG/SS Red >>>>> HG/SS Blue.Just that.


Here, we re discussing other matter.
 
RadicalMrR said:
Your thinking of Dodrio and the Dex gives a reason as to why he can fly, he runs so fast he can run on air.
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I was trying to point oit other thing.

That's not even important now.
 
Also, Radical, you said that that only applis to Digletts that know dig, but: Did you even considered how Diglett works?

Clue: He is a mole that has half of his body underground.
 
Question. How do we handle Sabrina, Falkner, Winona, and Fantina, who command Mewtwo, Lugia, Rayquaza, and Giratina respectively? Funny how I accidentally named them in increasing order in power.
 
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