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Some of Xeno Goku resistances

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A handful of resistances he has come from scaling to lesser characters.

I don't need to clarify why we don't do that. Because we've made this clear time and time again and him having this is a clear breach of rules. We only scale resistances if it's biology based. Either it's innate to the species, there's absorption/fusion/fission involved, or the one who scales is the source of the one who has the power.
 
I disagree, if we keep doing that we'll just keep having the silliness of Toppo Hakaing Zeno but for everything.

Also Vegito is litteraly a fusion of Goku and Vegeta who have the same biology and power as him and scale above him in DBH.

Also DBH character resisted candy beam independently anyway.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
It depends if it's properly justified. What's the justification here?
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Vegito resisted transmutation because of his power so Xeno Goku, who was half of Vegito and is now stronger than said Vegito was resist transmutation, simple as that, It was accepted but Cal now disagree.

We also use the same reasoning for the vice shout on most DB profile.

That and The candy beam is a thing in DBX and DBH and everyone resist it (well it's more limited resistance but same difference), Xeno Trunks did it for exemple, it just doesn't scale to canon.
 
The justification is that he scales above Vegito who resisted the candy beam. I've brought this up before and it was rejected saying that, "it was something special about Vegito."
 
Except DB isn't the only "victim" there. Wonder Woman and Mr Mxylptzk don't resist mind manipulation. So we get stuff like them falling victim to Poison Ivy's pheromones if we used that logic. Zeref doesn't resist Petrification so Evergreen can turn him into stone. Aizen doesn't resist transmutation so Gremmy can just turn him into a cookie.

Kep has addressed the Vegito thing before and it's been said in the Daizenshuu or smth that it's something special Vegito has. Also transmutation isn't the only offender there. Time manipulation is based on scaling too.

None of them are Xeno Goku tho.
 
ChocomilkAlex said:
The justification is that he scales above Vegito who resisted the candy beam. I've brought this up before and it was rejected saying that, "it was something special about Vegito."
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That rejection is based on the daizenshuu having resisting the 'jawbreaker' feat under 'particularity' (since Vegeto was the only character that strong back then), since then we decided we don't use the daizenshuu.
 
ChocomilkAlex said:
The justification is that he scales above Vegito who resisted the candy beam. I've brought this up before and it was rejected saying that, "it was something special about Vegito."
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Xeno Trunks also resisted the candy beam though......
 
Resistances he showed by himself/scale from being a god and thus should be kept: Poison Manipulation (Survived after drinking the Water of the Gods), High Pain Tolerance, Extreme Cold, Cosmic Radiations, Absorption, Sleep Manipulation, Heat Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Existence Erasure, Empathic Manipulation, Extrasensory Perception (Cannot be sensed by beings lesser than a God), Soul Manipulation (Survived attacks from Shroom that targeted his soul), Mind Manipulation (Demigra couldn't take over his mind and make him a Time Breaker), Magic, Law Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation (Demigra questioned why his magic wouldn't work on him), Temporal BFR (Was unaffected by one of Demigra's attacks, which had sent Beat through time), Time Stop (Repeatedly resisted Hit's attempts to freeze him in time until Hit powered up further), Morality Manipulation, Possession, Madness Manipulation (Type 2), Corruption (Able to resist the effects of dark energy), Power Nullification (Beings with divinity cannot be affected by Android 21's waves, which can nullify powers), Memory Manipulation (Android 21's waves have also shown to be able to erase memories)

Others: Time Manipulation (Goku is far more powerful than lesser Demon Gods, who were unaffected by Chronoa's time-based abilities) and Transmutation (Goku is far more powerful than SSJ Vegito and Time Patroller Trunks, both of whom could fight after being turned into candy)

Tbf, Time Manipulation and Time Stop should be combined into one because Goku: Xeno has indeed shown resistance Multiversal Time Abilities (from Towa, not from Chronoa).

I agree with the removal of Transmutation tho, that has no reason to be there.
 
Most of the resistances are fine. I forgot the Hit thing so that can stay. Transmutation resistance needs to go though.

Also when did the daizenshuu stop being considered? Kep's verdict on the matter has still been in place.
 
Two wrongs don't make a right, you said so yourself in another thread about a similar topic.

Except no, the daizenshuu doesn't, it just has the feat under 'particularity' because only Vegito was that strong back then, he was the strongest in the franchise and we don't use the daizenshuu, once again, it's been established on multiple thread.

And we're gonna keep acting like that didn't also happen in DBX and DBH ? like seriously ? even if you remove Vegito, it still leave Goku with a resistance.
 
The real cal howard said:
Most of the resistances are fine. I forgot the Hit thing so that can stay. Transmutation resistance needs to go though.
Also when did the daizenshuu stop being considered? Kep's verdict on the matter has still been in place.
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Yeah, okay so it's just a petty thread to make your character win on another thread, all the resistance with the same logic are fine, it's just the one that make Goku win against your character that need to go, how convenient, too bad it doesn't need to go, it's perfectly justified even without Vegito.

Since forever, we don't use the power statement in it, we don't use the maps, we don't use the multipliers, the daizenshuu has been refused basicaly every time i brough it up on multiple threads.
 
None of the rest have the same logic tho? The rest Goku actively resists.

Warren downgraded Rosalina from tier 2 to tier gosh darn 4 due to being reminded of it on a fight with Alien X. Bog beat Mami because a regen upgrade was made due to that thread. People get impetus to make revisions based on versus threads. Don't play victim.
 
The real cal howard said:
DBX: Happens in gameplay. Doesn't canonically happen.
DBH: Idk.
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DBX : That description of the attack say the same thing as what we see in gameplay, gameplay may not be canon but the technique's description are.
 
The real cal howard said:
None of the rest have the same logic tho? The rest Goku actively resists.
Warren downgraded Rosalina from tier 2 to tier gosh darn 4 due to being reminded of it on a fight with Alien X. Don't play victim.
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Half of the resistance like soul stuff is from scailing from Xeno Gohan and Xeno Trunks, pretending their direct superior who saw the ennemy who used the hax they resist as fodder doesn't resist when strength and ki is litteraly 100% of the resistance justification is nonsensical.

I'm not playing the victim, i'm calling out bulshit when i see it, that's petty shit to make a character you support win by removing just the ability that win the match while in the middle of the thread, the hell do i care if Goku wins or not but that petty stuff is just bulshit, at least lock the thread until your revision pass or is rejected if you want to be credible and look impartial because here it's just bias talking rather than any sensible argument IMO.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
"If Trunks resisted it then I don't know why Goku shouldn't be able to."
What kind of ****** up logic is that?
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Because Trunks is proof that Vegito doesn't have some transmutation magic barrier shit that is only exclusive to him. Trunks resisted it by being stronger than ******* vegito so logically, Goku who could body Trunks and is HALF OF VEGITO, should have that resistance.
 
The resistance to soul stuff comes from Goku raking attacks from Shroom, who attacks the soul. And who cares if ki is the primary source? Ki allegories ain't unique to Dragon Ball. Bleach characters don't resist anything (except for passives) because Reiroku. Neither does Naruto with Chakra. One Piece with Haki. Hunter Hunter (except passives) with Nen. Yu Yu Hakusho with Yoki. Fairy Tail with magic. My Hero Academia with quirk stuff. Why does this only come up with dragon ball?
 
The real cal howard said:
The resistance to soul stuff comes from Goku raking attacks from Shroom, who attacks the soul. And who cares if ki is the primary source? Ki ain't unique to Dragon Ball. Bleach characters don't resist anything (except for passives) because Reiroku. Neither does Naruto with Chakra. One Piece with Haki. Hunter Hunter (except passives) with Nen. Yu Yu Hakusho with Yoki. Fairy Tail with magic. My Hero Academia with quirk stuff. Why does this only come up with dragon ball?
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Ki isn't the 'primary source', their ki is the only thing they used to resist those thing, if a Bleach character specificaly said 'i used my Reitsu to cancel those abilities', every bleach characters on their level would get that resistance and if they didn't, it would be blatant nonsense, how strong or weak their ki is litteraly the only difference between all those characters, other than raw power, they fight the same, have the same power, the same energy source and overall technique (only exception is Trunks's keysword), you can't even use the 'different species' argument since they are all saiyans.

If a character say 'i used X to resist X' we always gave them the resistance and also gave it to other people who also had 'X', i have no idea what you are especialy when you try to compare ******* Quirks to Ki or Yoki.

It doesn't come up only for DB, stop trying to pretend, that's just like on the multiplier thread when you tried to pretend only DB used multipliers when we have characters who litteraly jump tiers through multipliers alone.
 
The matter is simple : Vegito resist candy beam, Goku is half Vegito and Trunks also resist candy beam for the same reason as Vegeto so why Goku wouldn't resist it when it's litteraly established to not be special to Vegito (who's half Goku anyway) and litteraly meet the exact same condition as Vegeto and Trunks ? You can say it doesn't translate into it being true in canon but it's 100% true in DBH.

Also as Awk linked resisting candy beam in DBX isn't even a gameplay thing.
 
Since when is the Daizenshuu accepted here? Guess we should start using the multipliers then if it's such a credible source.
 
I'm certain that's not the case unless we get a statement that anyone with reiatsu can do x, y, and z. Or at least Reiatsu of that level. Because I'm sure that's happened before and we don't give them that resistance. Sensui and even Raizen don't resist soul manipulation even though Hiei and Kurama used their yoki to resist Toguro's soul suck. Also nice job picking out one of my 7 examples to discredit my argument. Quirks ain't the best example but the rest sure are.

Are you kidding? Do you know how much shit I've given God of High School for their ridiculous multiplier and how much shit I still give Rakudai for theirs? And don't get me started on the shit I have Digimon, to the point where I convinced Dragon to remove it.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Since when is the Daizenshuu accepted here? Guess we should start using the multipliers then if it's such a credible source.
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Gee, I wonder if we have strict rules for multipliers and use guidebooks on a case by case basis? No? Dragon Ball is being called out and being an unwilling target? Naruto guidebooks that went unused since 2010 until we decided to use a case by case scenario? What are those? Clearly DB is the unique martyr here.
 
Yes, we do and for multiple verse, if a character resist X because they have a pure heart, we gave resistance to everyone in the verse with a pure heart, lots of characters have that in their profile.

2 wrongs don't make a right, Raizen and Sensui should 100% resist something that freaking Toguro saga Hiei resisted, we should add it to them rather than remove stuff from other profile.

How much shit you have given to other universe don't matter when you explicitly tried to pretend DB was either the only offender (at first) and then the worst offend (later) in your multiplier thread, both of which are very wrong when it come to multipliers, at least DB didn't have a character jump from moon level to 3-A from just from a single multiplier, same here, we clearly scale resistance when it's made clear that character B possess the same stuff as character A but just better / more of.

Trying to say 'We only do this for this verse' is something you often try when it's blatantly false whenever you want to make a petty downgrade after your character lost in a thread.
 
Naruto Databooks are almost entirely ignored, just like DB. What I am calling out here is cherry picking, not that DB is victimized.
 
If an ability gets resisted through a pure heart, that's a flaw of the ability, not a boon for the person.
 
The real cal howard said:
If an ability gets resisted through a pure heart, that's a flaw of the ability, not a boon for the person.
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We never treated it like that before as far as i know.
 
Ionliosite said:
We never treated it like that before as far as i know.
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We ALWAYS treat it like that.
Then why do we even have a resistance section instead of an hax weakness section ? i always see 'resisted X because of a pure heart so has resistance X', hell i saw like 2 different profile with that justification for Corruption Resistance or something like that
 
If that's the reasoning to said resistance, then link me the profiles and I'll make a CRT to have it removed, because that totally doesn't qualify.
 
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