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Okay a few issues brought up in the recent Top 5 Characters for every tier thread.
What is Mind Manipulation
I think when most people talk about mind manipulation, they think of Mind Control. An ability which previously had a page, but no longer does and was merged with Mind Manipulation.
This gives people the impression that Mind Control (Or the basic application of giving others commands and making them follow them) is better than other subsets of Mind Manipulation. Making it better than Perception Manipulation, and others.
Evidence here: "If you resist mind manip, you can resist perception manip depending how it works, is just another way of controlling your mind after all. If you resist perception manip though, you sure as hell aren't resisting mind manip without feats."
So, that's a problem. A good reason for bringing the Mind Control page back, as it's also a subset, the same as perception manipulation, and is only one aspect of the total package which is Mind Manipulation.
I've literally seen people argue that Mind Control isn't a subset because it doesn't have its own page.
Mind Manipulation is Broad
We don't think about it much, but Mind Manipulation in general is an extremely broad power. Not as broad as something like Reality Warping, but is similar in that it itself is not one actual ability, but rather a lot of smaller abilities wrapped into one.
Those being Mind Control, Fear Manipulation,Madness Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, Illusion Creation and others I'm probably missing. (Like Memory Manipulation, depending on the mechanics)
The Equalization Issue
I believe these should all by equalized (As long as they're all done through the mind). Which means someone with resistance to one, would also have resistance to the other. So long as it is reasonable, one "mystical" mind power is equalized to the other "mystical" mind power unless one of the verses makes a distinction between the two which wouldn't allow for such equalization to take place.
But after talking to others, I discovered a lot of people didn't agree, and a decent number of them felt that they shouldn't be equalized at all.
I'll put into context what that means:
Anyone who doesn't specifically resist perception manipulation, doesn't have resistance to base Genjutsu or Aizen's shikai (Meaning, the Mind Manipulation umbrella no longer protects you from Madness or Perception Manipulation, unless you have feats to back it up)
You are also no longer protected from Fear or Madness Manipulation with Mind Control resistance alone.
^^These popular sentiments suddenly being implemented would vastly change the way we current handle these things.
I feel this is far too restricting, as Mind Manipulation can vary wildly and not equalizing subsets creates more problems VS battles-wise than the alternative.
What's the community take on this?
What is Mind Manipulation
I think when most people talk about mind manipulation, they think of Mind Control. An ability which previously had a page, but no longer does and was merged with Mind Manipulation.
This gives people the impression that Mind Control (Or the basic application of giving others commands and making them follow them) is better than other subsets of Mind Manipulation. Making it better than Perception Manipulation, and others.
Evidence here: "If you resist mind manip, you can resist perception manip depending how it works, is just another way of controlling your mind after all. If you resist perception manip though, you sure as hell aren't resisting mind manip without feats."
So, that's a problem. A good reason for bringing the Mind Control page back, as it's also a subset, the same as perception manipulation, and is only one aspect of the total package which is Mind Manipulation.
I've literally seen people argue that Mind Control isn't a subset because it doesn't have its own page.
Mind Manipulation is Broad
We don't think about it much, but Mind Manipulation in general is an extremely broad power. Not as broad as something like Reality Warping, but is similar in that it itself is not one actual ability, but rather a lot of smaller abilities wrapped into one.
Those being Mind Control, Fear Manipulation,Madness Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, Illusion Creation and others I'm probably missing. (Like Memory Manipulation, depending on the mechanics)
The Equalization Issue
I believe these should all by equalized (As long as they're all done through the mind). Which means someone with resistance to one, would also have resistance to the other. So long as it is reasonable, one "mystical" mind power is equalized to the other "mystical" mind power unless one of the verses makes a distinction between the two which wouldn't allow for such equalization to take place.
But after talking to others, I discovered a lot of people didn't agree, and a decent number of them felt that they shouldn't be equalized at all.
I'll put into context what that means:
Anyone who doesn't specifically resist perception manipulation, doesn't have resistance to base Genjutsu or Aizen's shikai (Meaning, the Mind Manipulation umbrella no longer protects you from Madness or Perception Manipulation, unless you have feats to back it up)
You are also no longer protected from Fear or Madness Manipulation with Mind Control resistance alone.
^^These popular sentiments suddenly being implemented would vastly change the way we current handle these things.
I feel this is far too restricting, as Mind Manipulation can vary wildly and not equalizing subsets creates more problems VS battles-wise than the alternative.
What's the community take on this?