Yan Sen Plot Manipulation Removal

[Quintessence_PE]

The setting is not the story. The setting is his infinite power to overtake his opponents.

Doesn’t say its thanks to “plot” he’s just Immortal.

Frankly, I'm not going to take you seriously, I feel like I'm dealing with a small child.

 

[Wanz1111]

Frankly, I'm not going to take you seriously, I feel like I'm dealing with a small child.

Ok

 

[KingNanaya]

The setting is not the story.

that goes against the definition of the word setting

 

[Wanz1111]

that goes against the definition of the word setting

Not really Yan sen said the setting is an infinite power to overtake an opponent. Nowhere in this manhua did it ever say the setting is the plot.

 

[Livinmeme]

Not really Yan sen said the setting is an infinite power to overtake an opponent. Nowhere in this manhua did it ever say the setting is the plot.

How many times do we have to show you the meaning of setting?

: the time, place, and circumstances in which something occurs or develops. b. : the time and place of the action of a literary, dramatic, or cinematic work. c. : the scenery used in a theatrical or film production.1 ago 2024

 

[SweetDao]

Not really Yan sen said the setting is an infinite power to overtake an opponent. Nowhere in this manhua did it ever say the setting is the plot.

There is a differentiation to have between the effect of the "setting" unto reality and the setting itself.

If that was truly "only becoming more powerful" why would Yan Sen also mention the fact that this very setting (character design) makes him unable to kill Henry/makes Henry immortal?

 

[Wanz1111]

How many times do we have to show you the meaning of setting?

Yan sen said the setting is an infinite power to overtake an opponent.

 

[Livinmeme]

Yan sen said the setting is an infinite power to overtake an opponent.

Those sentences are not incompatible with each other, and you know that

 

[Wanz1111]

If that was truly "only becoming more powerful" why would Yan Sen also mention the fact that this very setting (character design) makes him unable to kill Henry/makes Henry immortal?

It’s simple Yan sen cannot kill Henry.

 

[Wanz1111]

Those sentences are not incompatible with each other, and you know that

It’s literally in the scans.

 

[SweetDao]

It’s simple Yan sen cannot kill Henry.

Yeah and why? Because his character design is "being invincible", aka, immortal.

 

[Livinmeme]

It’s literally in the scans.

Explain me why the setting having infinite energy, somehow debunks it being plot manip

 

[Wanz1111]

Explain me why the setting having infinite energy, somehow debunks it being plot manip

Because the “setting” is his infinite power to overtake an opponent. Plot manipulation is the ability to create, destroy, or control the plot that governs reality.

 

[Livinmeme]

Because the “setting” is his infinite power to overtake an opponent. Plot manipulation is the ability to create, destroy, or control the plot that governs reality.

What? Plot manip can have infinitepower/energy, that is stupid, and that is not even counting verses where more power gives more control over the metaphysics of the universe

 

[Wanz1111]

What? Plot manip can have infinitepower/energy, that is stupid, and that is not even counting verses where more power gives more control over the metaphysics of the universe

Buddy Henry is not creating, destroying or controlling the plot.

 

[Livinmeme]

Buddy Henry is not creating, destroying or controlling the plot.

if you ignore how he created the plot, or how he uses his plot manip to passively become stronge

And don't try to BS, saying that "acshually he doesn't use plot to become stronger", we have gone through this circular argument atleast 6 times now

 

[Wanz1111]

And don't try to BS, saying that "acshually he doesn't use plot to become stronger", we have gone through this circular argument atleast 6 times now

Because he doesn’t.

 

[Livinmeme]

Because he doesn’t.

Goddamit

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Goddamit

^ literal stone wall

 

[RaveeCPN]

Disagree FRA

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

This is so blatant I don't see how it's a discussion, I disagree with OP.

 

[Wanz1111]

This is so blatant I don't see how it's a discussion, I disagree with OP.

Why? The setting is Henry’s infinite power to overtake his opponents.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

The fact he mentions stories and settings in the explanation indicates he's referring to narrative settings.

Plot Manipulation isn't really defined. It can manifest as Plot Armor, similar to Fate Manipulation, or in cases where a character controls their story, it can be used for Existence Erasure by writing beings out of reality. Both are valid forms of Plot Manipulation. Similarly, a narrative setting that allows you to surpass your opponent would Plot Manipulation granting Reactive Evolution and could count as both.

 

[Wanz1111]

The fact he mentions stories and settings in the explanation indicates he's referring to narrative settings.

The “setting” is just an infinite power to overtake his opponents. I don’t see how him increasing his power to overtake any character from any story or whatever is plot manipulation?

Both are valid forms of Plot Manipulation. Similarly, a narrative setting that allows you to surpass your opponent would Plot Manipulation granting Reactive Evolution and could count as both.

Shouldn’t it be a possibly rating if it’s not explicitly shown to affect characters from other stories?

 

[KingNanaya]

The “setting” is just an infinite power to overtake his opponents. I don’t see how him increasing his power to overtake any character from any story or whatever is plot manipulation?

please learn to read

Shouldn’t it be a possibly rating if it’s not explicitly shown to affect characters from other stories?

it did

 

[Wanz1111]

it did

When did that happen?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

The “setting” is just an infinite power to overtake his opponents. I don’t see how him increasing his power to overtake any character from any story or whatever is plot manipulation?

It's not about what the setting does, it's about what the setting is. A narrative setting allowing you to overtake your opponents is the story/plot allowing you to overtake your opponents. Erasing a being from existence would be Existence Erasure, but having the plot erase them would be Existence Erasure and Plot Manipulation.

In these scenarios, the source of the ability is just as important as the ability itself.

 

[Wanz1111]

It's not about what the setting does, it's about what the setting is.

Does this change anything? There are different translations going around. Also shouldn’t it be limited to that white space?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Does this change anything? There are different translations going around. Also shouldn’t it be limited to that white space?

Character Design refers to how a character is portrayed or written in a piece of media. It's something that is established by the author or writer rather than the characters themselves. Changing this would still fall within the realm of Plot Manipulation.

But yeah it does seem limited to that space.

 

[Wanz1111]

Character Design refers to how a character is portrayed or written in a piece of media. It's something that is established by the author or writer rather than the characters themselves. Changing this would still fall within the realm of Plot Manipulation.

But yeah it does seem limited to that space.

Ok then

 

[Quintessence_PE]

But yeah it does seem limited to that space.

No, it's not limited, when he says "here" he means the story. Henry has had this power since birth and it has always worked passively everywhere.
He says "here" because YanSen is the main character of a different story.

If you look at this, you can see that Henry has had this power since he was born.

 

[Livinmeme]

Character Design refers to how a character is portrayed or written in a piece of media. It's something that is established by the author or writer rather than the characters themselves. Changing this would still fall within the realm of Plot Manipulation.

But yeah it does seem limited to that space.

Henry is literally the narrative, how is that limited?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Henry is literally the narrative, how is that limited?

I don't know the verse, I'm just going off what I see.

 

[KingNanaya]

I don't know the verse, I'm just going off what I see.

I appreciate your help in evaluating the thread

 

[Livinmeme]

I don't know the verse, I'm just going off what I see.

I mean, he literally states that he is the setting

 

[Quintessence_PE]

I don't know the verse, I'm just going off what I see.

No, it's not limited, when he says "here" he means the story. Henry has had this power since birth and it has always worked passively everywhere.
He says "here" because YanSen is the main character of a different story.

If you look at this, you can see that Henry has had this power since he was born.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

This CRT is about the Plot Manipulation being removed, which I disagree with, so it doesn't really matter if I think it's limited or not. And as I said, I don't know the verse.

 

[Livinmeme]

Someone should be counting the votes

 

[KingNanaya]

Someone should be counting the votes

there was only one