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Frankly, I'm not going to take you seriously, I feel like I'm dealing with a small child.
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Yan Sen Plot Manipulation Removal
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that goes against the definition of the word setting
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Not really Yan sen said the setting is an infinite power to overtake an opponent. Nowhere in this manhua did it ever say the setting is the plot.
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There is a differentiation to have between the effect of the "setting" unto reality and the setting itself.
If that was truly "only becoming more powerful" why would Yan Sen also mention the fact that this very setting (character design) makes him unable to kill Henry/makes Henry immortal?
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Yan sen said the setting is an infinite power to overtake an opponent.
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Those sentences are not incompatible with each other, and you know that
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It’s simple Yan sen cannot kill Henry.
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It’s literally in the scans.
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Yeah and why? Because his character design is "being invincible", aka, immortal.
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Explain me why the setting having infinite energy, somehow debunks it being plot manip
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Because the “setting” is his infinite power to overtake an opponent. Plot manipulation is the ability to create, destroy, or control the plot that governs reality.
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What? Plot manip can have infinitepower/energy, that is stupid, and that is not even counting verses where more power gives more control over the metaphysics of the universe
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Buddy Henry is not creating, destroying or controlling the plot.
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And don't try to BS, saying that "acshually he doesn't use plot to become stronger", we have gone through this circular argument atleast 6 times now
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Because he doesn’t.
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Goddamit
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^ literal stone wall
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This is so blatant I don't see how it's a discussion, I disagree with OP.
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Why? The setting is Henry’s infinite power to overtake his opponents.
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The fact he mentions stories and settings in the explanation indicates he's referring to narrative settings.
Plot Manipulation isn't really defined. It can manifest as Plot Armor, similar to Fate Manipulation, or in cases where a character controls their story, it can be used for Existence Erasure by writing beings out of reality. Both are valid forms of Plot Manipulation. Similarly, a narrative setting that allows you to surpass your opponent would Plot Manipulation granting Reactive Evolution and could count as both.
Plot Manipulation isn't really defined. It can manifest as Plot Armor, similar to Fate Manipulation, or in cases where a character controls their story, it can be used for Existence Erasure by writing beings out of reality. Both are valid forms of Plot Manipulation. Similarly, a narrative setting that allows you to surpass your opponent would Plot Manipulation granting Reactive Evolution and could count as both.
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The “setting” is just an infinite power to overtake his opponents. I don’t see how him increasing his power to overtake any character from any story or whatever is plot manipulation?
Shouldn’t it be a possibly rating if it’s not explicitly shown to affect characters from other stories?
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When did that happen?
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It's not about what the setting does, it's about what the setting is. A narrative setting allowing you to overtake your opponents is the story/plot allowing you to overtake your opponents. Erasing a being from existence would be Existence Erasure, but having the plot erase them would be Existence Erasure and Plot Manipulation.
In these scenarios, the source of the ability is just as important as the ability itself.
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Character Design refers to how a character is portrayed or written in a piece of media. It's something that is established by the author or writer rather than the characters themselves. Changing this would still fall within the realm of Plot Manipulation.
But yeah it does seem limited to that space.
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Ok then
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No, it's not limited, when he says "here" he means the story. Henry has had this power since birth and it has always worked passively everywhere.
He says "here" because YanSen is the main character of a different story.
If you look at this, you can see that Henry has had this power since he was born.
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Henry is literally the narrative, how is that limited?
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I don't know the verse, I'm just going off what I see.
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I appreciate your help in evaluating the thread
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I mean, he literally states that he is the setting
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This CRT is about the Plot Manipulation being removed, which I disagree with, so it doesn't really matter if I think it's limited or not. And as I said, I don't know the verse.
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there was only one
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