I mean, I said it on the first page. If people want to change "plot manipulation with Creation" with instead "Creation (on a narrative level), I'm fine with it.wait wtf
Henry is the one with plot manip, it’s just that Yan sen is stronger than his plot hax
Me too
Yeah, and that he created the very "character design" that is fundamentally different from the superpowers we've seen.
His plot manip is the one that gives him his RE to begin with, you can't have one without the other, specially when you consider that accepting that Yan sen has creation on a plot level, that means his designs are also powered by plot, those designs are the thing that give him his RE
I didn't understand the bolded part, but yeah, Yan Sen had to recreate Henry on a metafictional (character design) level to actually match the real character, otherwise it would've been useless.
He created another Henry with the same ability to develop infinitely against an opponent. That’s how the battle was a stalemate. Creation alone seems reasonable for that.
His plot has RE
I explained above that this is the working mechanics of the plot. I guess you ignored it.
What RE?
Where I didn’t see it. Let me see that explanation.
You can look up.
Yeah, and that ability (RE) comes from a metafictional element (Character design). Yan Sen NEEDS to interact with it in some way to actually replicate Henry. Especially with the fact he wasn't even aware about what was a "character design" at the beginning of the fight.
Do you think that right now, the power of creation is exactly on the same level as plot manipulation?
I don't understand your question.
When you say creation (on a narrative level), are you saying that this power is at a level that can affect the plot?
Yeah Henry plot manipulation should be removed and replaced with it or Accelerated Development.
“In this place”. His character design is an infinite power to overtake his opponents.
Stalemate.
I'm saying that Yan Sen can copy/recreate the character intrinsic definition. Saying it can "affect plot" is a bit weird, but at least, he would be able to recreate someone on a narrative level.
Wdym stalemate? He lost, Henry admitted it himself.
I said that this is how plot manipulation works.
That's a good enough explanation. This feature will serve him well enough as a plot device, at least.
So his Plot Manipulation should be removed got it.
What? You can have an ability that is based on another ability
You know that plot manipulations are specific types of studies, right?
Agree
Plot Manipulation is the ability to create, destroy, or control the plot that governs reality.
Yes
Making him the strongest in the story fits in with the last example.
Henry's character design, not any other ability, makes him infinitely stronger than any opponent, and the other important point is that he remains invincible even if the opponent comes from another story
And he uses that plot to force himself as the strongest, I think you are limiting what plot can do
He didn’t use no plot. He just has an infinite power to overtake his opponents.
What? He mentions that he will always become stronger than the opponent, you are just pulling headcanons out of thing air
How is that him using the “plot”. That’s just his “setting” aka his infinite power to overtake an opponent. The wiki states that Plot Manipulation is the “ability to create, destroy, or control the plot that governs reality”. Henry states that “he is the setting his setting is invincible”. Yan sen then states the setting means an infinite power to overtake his opponent. Idk how yall got plot manipulation from him just overtaking his opponents.
Goddamit, I had already explained it like three times at this point
Agree
The setting is not the story. The setting is his infinite power to overtake his opponents.
Doesn’t say its thanks to “plot” he’s just Immortal.
It is thanks to his character design, tho. So yeah, he's immortal "because that's how his character was defined".
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