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Battle for 4th Place 6-C: Ashiok vs Holy Mami

WeeklyBattles said:
Mimd manip/memory manip/sleep manip/dream manip
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What does she have to deal with this.

(Is Ahsiok vs any character who relies on dreams fair? I want Ashiok vs Dormey now.)
 
Also just gonna poitnout he can mind hax people with mind hax resistance like elspeth
 
Unaffected by being in the underworld for an extended period of time, where the underworld passively mind haxed everyone who has ever died
 
Hmm, so the question is who mind haxes first then, or at the very least who shoots first.
 
I mean even if mami manages to shoot first one of ashioks signature techniques is a combination counterspell and memory erasure-based power null
 
I wasn't being literal there, sorry, should have specified.

I meant most of their abilities aren't really resisted or have any issues here, so its just who gets the win first.
 
@SD I know what I meant was that if she tries to use any form of offensive magic Ashiok can just nope it with a counterspell and erase her memory of that magic to prevent her from utilizing it again
 
@Weekly

I mean, Mami's memories don't really matter when both the Doppel and the Uwasa have minds of their own.

@Drago not according to the page.

@Glass I don't believe so.
 
Considering the last Holy Mami threads I've seen people said she has passive mindhax when that apparently isn't true, yes I do find it fishy
 
Unless Doppel and Uwasa have mind hax resistance potent enough ashiok should have no trouble erasing their memories as well
 
Theglassman12 said:
Considering the last Holy Mami threads I've seen people said she has passive mindhax when that apparently isn't true, yes I do find it fishy
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Who's the idiot who said this?
 
SomebodyData said:
No, just that Ashiok has no way of knowing that they're seperate beings.
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How so? An opponent having multiple entities assisting them in battle is extremely commonplace in MtG

Also his Dread Vapors would likely help him figure it out
 
Technically speaking, the soul gem is the one that has the control of the Magical girl body. So conventional Mindhax that affects the mind of a brain should even bother a Magical Girl like Mami.

You will requires to affect her soul gem, which is a literal soul of a Magical Girl, if you wish to Mindhax her.
 
Probably a mistake by a random user @Glass

@Weekly Mami's Fog (passive) prevents senses from working, Ashiok wouldn't be able to figure it out via Vapors.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Schnee either you, Homu or someone else but I do recall hearing her mindhax being passive.
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The literal only argument ever made was the possibility of witches having passive mindhax (which there isn't enough proof for), which Holy Mami isn't.

That was clearly someone else
 
@SD Funnily enough Ashioks boon from the God of Deception prevents senses from working on him too lol
 
@Beast it's not biological mindhax and it can affect beings with no mind or soul and beings that exist as abstract concepts
 
So can Touka, but I don't think the range of extrasensory perception matters in regards to its nullification.
 
So that again brings us to the fact that opponents having multiple creatures fighting alongside them, as well as things such as living artifacts and enchantments, are extremely commonplace and ashiok would most likely recognize them and know to hax them too
 
So unless theres some reason why, ashiok should be able to counterspell and null a majority of mami's arsenal
 
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