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Kamen Rider upgrade and revision.. [OOO,Build,Zi-O]

Nicetoderp

Nicetoderp

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Ok, we are going to upgrade a lot of things in KR verse. And here we goes.

Greeed as a whole get - Resistance to Empathic Manipulation(While Greeed is able to understand human emotion like fear and love. But would never able to truly FEEL it unless they are completed) Only in their incomplete form and Limited Resistance to Space-Time Manipulation(Their Core Medals didnt get damaged in the slightest despite some of the Yummy with Core Medals inside them get hit by Eiji Hino OOO's Bash). Empowerment(Greeed grow stronger depend on how many Cells and Core Medals are inside them). Limited Telepathy(Greeed are able to know human's deepest desire).

Several KR get Self-Sustenance(Type 1). That would be Eiji Hino(fighting alongside Gentaro against Galaxy King in deep space without any problem, the battle start 1:48:30),Sougo Tokiwa and Woz(both fly into deep space meeting with Worm Meteor start at 4:41),Sento Kiryu and Evolto(Both warped to other planet with level of oxygen much lower than earth, and even teleport to deep space). Possibly extended to other Build Rider that use Build Driver. Souji Tendou do to God Speed Love pushing asteroid into outer space feats. Kouta Kazuraba and Shinnosuke Tomari during the summer movie the two went into deep space in order to destroy Megahex.

And then some revision to Eiji Hino. He'll get.

-Durability Negation and Limited Space-Time Manipulation.(Eiji's OOO Bash cut through reality itself. His Putotyra form directly destroy 'desire' of the target.) And Empathy Resistance above.

And here is the big one.

Sougo Tokiwa (Quartzer) gain Resistance to All Heisei Kame Riders' Powers and Abilities (Icluding non-protagonists as well). (The power of Heisei Rider can't do anything to him. Literally all of them get bodied. Even after they goes into their final form, no visible damage can be seen.)

And Sougo Tokiwa and possibly Sougo Tokiwa (Future) gain Resistance Negation to all of Sougo Tokiwa (Quartzer)'s Resistance(The power of Heisei Rider can't do anything to him. Even when they all goes into final form Until Sougo destroy him with THE Heisei Rider Kick.) Edit:They also both get Empowerment to their summons as well due to the Riders summon have their power boots to match Sougos.

TL:DR

-Swap Statistics Amplification to Empowerment for every Greeed like Gamel or Eiji Hino. And give them Limited Telepathy

-Resistance to Empathic Manipulation

-Self-Sustenance(Type 1) to Eiji Hino,Woz,Sougo Tokiwa via RideArmor,Evolto and Sento Kiryu possibly to other Build Rider.

-Durability Negation and swap his Spatial Manipulation for Limited Space-Time Manipulation.

-Sougo Tokiwa (Quartzer) gain Resistance to All Heisei Kame Riders' Powers and Abilities (Icluding non-protagonists as well)

-Sougo Tokiwa in his Oma Form get Resistance Negation due to bodied the above guy.

-Both Sougos also get Empowerment to their summons. (Amping them to Sougo's level like how he is able to match Swartz)
 
Most of them are fine since we're already discussed about this in the discussion thread.

However, the resistance negation may just Zio Oma empowement to other riders. As we seen in Grand Zio vs Oma fight. Despite Grand Zio has all main kamen riders power, Drive was able to curbstomped him with a single rider kick. Implying that the riders that is summoned by Oma Zio and Zio Oma is empowered to their level. Hence their power must have gone beyond Barlck's resistance once Sougo became Zio Oma
 
That mean Sougo must have amp their power beyond 2-C possibly 2-B y'know? Since he also resist Tsukasa as well.

And if that the case then they should be able to beat over SOUGO already if their stat boosted that hard since they got summoned from the arrival of Oma Form.
 
Nicetoderp said:
That mean Sougo must have amp their power beyond 2-C possibly 2-B y'know? Since he also resist Tsukasa as well.
And if that the case then they should be able to beat over SOUGO already if their stat boosted that hard since they got summoned from the arrival of Oma Form.
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Let be honest tho, SOUGO became non-threat after Zio Oma show up until he pull out his liquid form :v
 
For real, i still think it's empowerment, otherwise it make no sense on why Drive was able to stomped Grand Zio if he's not empowered to Oma level
 
While it is true that it could be empowerment. Hell, I think that this is true as well.

The fact stay the same that Sougo is the one that allow all Rider to bypass SOUGO's resistances.

The two doesnt have to be mutually exclusive from eachother.
 
big thonk:
Well should I added Empowerment to Both Sougo then? I think it is very likely as well.
 
Let me list other rider who can survive in space.... and rider in the same series with them should get this one to, such as should give Self-Sustenance to Geiz too, like we saw they three in Trinity Form can survive in space..

other rider who were did it, let me guess.....

Takeru Tenkuji in his Ryoma Damashii flew from earth to space to finish a Ganma.

Kuroto Da in his Level Billion flew into space and slings the Moon clashing his dad.

Kiwami God and Shinnosuke Tomari as Type speed kicked Megahax planet ass in space that is spirit or outlier?

Souji Tendou in Hyper Form can fly in space

but I don't sure about Kuuga can survive in space after he can destroy the earth just one punch?
 
The two above are barely qualified as human. Breathing are optional.(One of them is a ghost and other is Bugster.)

Shinnosuke though should get yes.

Basically every Rider in Kabuto due to God Speed Love fighting above atmosphere and still fine.
 
And for the other...

I also think we shouldn't count Kuroto. No only because he is a bugster but also because he was in his own Game area that he can control.

The others, sure. GO for it.
 
Don't really care about the OOO part, i haven't seen the show in ages and i'm not really planning to do so just for the CRT, i'll leave that to others. Some Rider having self-sustenance is fine. Don't really agree with old Sougo having resistance negation for reasons i've stated in the discussion thread.
 
Old Sougo simply hijacked Grand's Drive because young Sougo never truly attain Drive Ridewatch until the Summer movie. Old Sougo even said something about how young Sougo hadn't truly gather all the Rider powers at that point because the Ridewatch young Sougo used technically still belong to old Sougo

I don't see empowerment being legitimate through this reasoning alone. If anything, that was just a plot point about how young Sougo's Grand Zi-O is incomplete and thus isn't as strong as it's supposed to be rather than Ohma Zi-O boosting Drive to his own level
 
Hmm how about when someone like Grand Zi-O is able to use someone like Wizard Infinity and Gaim Kiwami to match against Swartz's own summon and himself?
 
I can't really judge a lot of the abilities presented without links or further clarification, though the abilities with linked evidence looks fine enough. I'd definitely refer to someone more knowledgeable.
 
We still need to get the empowerment dícussion done before adding anything Although i really want to see Baruku drag his light saber to enter the Star Wars universe right now with his resisttances

Also, Sougo summoned the pine arm Gaim, not Kiwami arm which started the meme Pine Arm is Gaim's true final form
 
Yes, hats true.

I still think that Empowerment is very valid itself.

While their abilities didnt goes through Baraku resistance. The Heisei Rider that they summoned post Oma-Form can be seen actually damaging Baraku
 
I mean it should be pretty explicit.

Like how Another Den-O is trouncing Geiz Goretsu but bodied by Grand Zi-O summons.
 
I already voiced my disagreement to Greeed resistance to Space-Time manip, as it's about their conceptual nature that they don't break.

Other stuffs are fine to me.
 
Well we can update the one that is universally agreed on like Baraku resistances and Sougo Res-Neg
 
MagiSinbad said:
We still need to get the empowerment dícussion done before adding anything Although i really want to see Baruku drag his light saber to enter the Star Wars universe right now with his resisttances

Also, Sougo summoned the pine arm Gaim, not Kiwami arm which started the meme Pine Arm is Gaim's true final form
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Seem like Sougo doesn't know everything which form is strongest in his mind, he just guess and summon them.

I think should give downgrade to Sougo's Intelligent to Above Average or give him only in Waga Kyuseishuu movie which he just become a dreamy student...
 
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