Kamen Rider upgrade and revision.. [OOO,Build,Zi-O]

[MagiSinbad]

would having conceptual nature help you survives the space-time destruction ? I have never heard about this, if it is then can i have the explanation for this ? it would help for the future debate.

@Diinou what do you think about Empowerment part ?

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Because Core Medals are conceptual, only conceptual destructions, like Purple Medal users, are can destroy them. That's the whole gimmick of Purple Medal. (Gee, why don't they just erase things from the get-go? It would have made things easier)


As for empowerment thing, yes, they are empowered by Cell Medals inside them.

 

[Kamen_Rider_Xross]

Yeah. Uva manage to make up his lack of Core Medals with farming a lot (a crazy lot) of Cell Medals.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Just look at Eiji after absorbing Kougami Foundation's load of it lol

He be like causing tremors just by walking.

 

[Kamen_Rider_Xross]

And kick Complete Uva's Ass with the King's TaToBa

 

[Sir_Ovens]

This looks fine, though I would like to know where the evidence of Over-Quartzer being canon is.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

This .

 

[Nicetoderp]

It is very much canon, it is an alternate ending to Zi-O like Ex-Aid Movie True Ending in that nature

 

[MagiSinbad]

As for empowerment thing, yes, they are empowered by Cell Medals inside them.

Ah no, i means the discussion above about Sougo's empowerment to every riders that he's summoned :v

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Over-Quartzer Zi-O should get a seperate profile then. He isn't the same Zi-O as the main continuity.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Over-Quartzer Zi-O should get a seperate profile then. He isn't the same Zi-O as the main continuity.

I don't think so. As Nicetoderp said, Over-Quartzer serve as a alternate ending to Zi-O, nothing about it seem out of place or too different.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

It would seem wise to seperate the file for canonicity issues. While I understand that it serves as a different ending, it would be easier for new users to tell that it's a seperate continuity if we split the pages.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Seem fine, but would cross-scaling work for them?

 

[MagiSinbad]

Seem fine, but would cross-scaling work for them?

i think it's fine to cross-scale, the movie was like an what-if scenario more than an alternative universe.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

What-if scenarios are likr Alternative Universe that are the same as the main one until one point, so...

 

[Nicetoderp]

And by all account. the ending of Over Quartzer doesnt really have the feel of finality to it. And in timeline placement the director flip flop between Alternate Ending or straight up canon.

Also shouldnt Rider have type 8 immortality due to Heisei FOREVER?

 

[Jamesthetaker]

@Nicetoderp

Is that when Kintaro said that Rider could exist as long people remember about them? I think it's only applied to Legend Rider only?

 

[Nicetoderp]

Yes, that is what I'm trying to say.

Legend Rider key should be very much a thing.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Also, there is alot of feats involving Legend Rider-specificly abilities across movie too.

 

[Nicetoderp]

So basically Legend Rider is 4-B due to scaling with their previous abilities + type 8

 

[Nicetoderp]

Okay, to once again give this upgrade and revision a TLR version.

-Swap Statistics Amplification to Empowerment for every Greeed like Gamel or Eiji Hino. And give them Limited Telepathy

-Resistance to Empathic Manipulation

-Self-Sustenance(Type 1) to Eiji Hino,Woz,Sougo Tokiwa via RideArmor,Evolto and Sento Kiryu possibly to other Build Rider.

-Durability Negation and swap his Spatial Manipulation for Limited Space-Time Manipulation.

-Sougo Tokiwa (Quartzer) gain Resistance to All Heisei Kame Riders' Powers and Abilities (Icluding non-protagonists as well)

-Sougo Tokiwa in his Oma Form get Resistance Negation due to bodied the above guy.

-Both Sougos also get Empowerment to their summons. (Amping them to Sougo's level like how he is able to match Swartz)

 

[LinkSlayerLvX]

I mean there is bit of thing of each Rider missing here and there. Thing like Woz's teleporting with his scarf/cloak.
And Swartz missing Type 8 and 4 immortality from the fact that he is Another Rider.

Redirected from Genaral thread everyone will agree? to give immortal Type 4 and 8 to All Another Rider's profiles via the fact of Anotherwatches which they can ressurected anytimes if aren't defeated by the same rider power, then give immortal negation them to Zi-O's rider super form above, then I agree these one

 

[Nicetoderp]

Yes, that as well.

I was a little stump as well as to why Swartz doesn't have type 4 and 8.

 

[LinkSlayerLvX]

then I agree for Zi-O's upgrade, but still disagree for OOO's upgrade

 

[Nicetoderp]

Which part? The resistance? I already edit it on my second TLDR

 

[LinkSlayerLvX]

for OOO's space time resist?

 

[Nicetoderp]

Yep, the one that will be applied is the latest one I posted above.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Over-Quartzer Zi-O should get a seperate profile then. He isn't the same Zi-O as the main continuity.

This too, since Over-Quartzer is more like an alternate ending to Zi-O.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Also, could you try to posted evidences for Another Rider immortality?

 

[Nicetoderp]

Zi-O Episode 2 in this episode we can see Another Build from last episode being revive despite literally get vape in the last episode. And after that Sougo try defeating him again only after Another Build get vape he literally come back a scene later and continue to fight. Specific scene in questio

 

[Nicetoderp]

Also after rewatching Zi-O. Shouldn't Sougo be 4-B by the fact that he is a match to Another Build who was around the same level as EoS Sento and Banjo?

 

[Jamesthetaker]

But isn't at that time Sento and Banjo were losing their power?

 

[Nicetoderp]

They were losing power yes, but they can still fight just fine.

Even if they are weaken that wouldn't stop the fact that they are still 4-B. Even then Sougo in his Build Armor still recived Build Ridewatch from EoS Sento

 

[LinkSlayerLvX]

Also after rewatching Zi-O. Shouldn't Sougo be 4-B by the fact that he is a match to Another Build who was around the same level as EoS Sento and Banjo?

Nope that seem still in BOS or before Grease debut which their hazard level are not in their peak

 

[Nicetoderp]

My mistake then. But Another Rider Immortality should still be applied, right?

 

[Jamesthetaker]

It seem fine but you should ask others how they think about it.

 

[Kamen_Rider_Xross]

My mistake then. But Another Rider Immortality should still be applied, right?

No, because the Another Riders aren't inmortal. They Anotherwatches can't be destroyed without the original Rider power, but they can be knock out of they transformation where they are vulnerable.

 

[Nicetoderp]

Technically, but if the Rider still take lethal damage they will continue to come back over and over again.

And if that isn't immortality then I don't know what that is

 

[Nicetoderp]

Just because the Rider can be knock out of transformation doesn't mean that the immortality doesn't applied. And even if they goes back to civilian form. Just pop that Another Ridewatch again and goes back into the fight. Easy.

 

[Kamen_Rider_Xross]

They can? The watches are inside them with the only exception being Another Zi-O, and they need the Time Jackers to reboot them.