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Sephiroth vs Evolto

Question: If Evolt is in his peak, then what stop him to Black Hole Break Sephiroth and/or the planet?

Even the Supernova attack isn't gonna really affect Evolt, thanks to his teleportation ability.
 
Evolto can put some of his genetic in his Evol Driver and then completely regenerate from that. And that thing is incredible resistent, managing to tank the attacks of Build Genius, Cross-Z Magma, Grease and Rogue at the same time, two of them in the same tier that Evol Black Hole.

And even with that, Evolt is one tough son of a alien. Even after the final battle, when he receive the final kick of Build RabbitDragon (or the beatdown of Cross-Z Build if we count the Final Stage) some of his cells manage to survive and take cover in Banjo's body.
 
His Regenerationn is only regarding regenerating his armor, which isn't enough when it comes to someone who's literally thousands of times stronger than him to the point he can atomize him in one shot.
 
so he has Low-High Regenerationn from his driver. Impressive but it doesn't exactly help with atomizing oneshots unless he has a move that can instantly give him the win that Sephiroth has no counter to or resistance to.
 
Well he more regenerate from his cell that was inside his driver but yeah. And Evolto add prenty of one shot attacks. His main one is his Black Hole Break that creates Black Holes big enough to destroy entire planets and absorbed them into own power, also is that he could try to possess Sephiroth with his cells or simply teleport out of the solar system and begin to absorb planets until he is powerfull enough to defeat Sephiroth.
 
so he has possession as a potential wincon. Does he spam that a lot in character or does he use it much later in the fight?

Also anything AP related doesn't really help against Sephiroth thanks to his regen and immortality.
 
He really doesn't needs to spam it in his series, because one of them is enought to wipe out a planet. But yeah, he really doesn't show that he requiere to much to create one.
 
I'm talking about his possession, does he spam his possession a lot in character?
 
Yes. When he archive his full power back (Black Hole Form) he gains free control over his cells. In the scenario i describe adove, a part of his cells where in his driver and other possessing one of his allies as a back-up plan. Then he use that ability to put a sleep agent in the heros team to recovery an important item.

Actually, each of his forms: Evol-Cobra, Evol-Dragon and Evol-Rabbit are the result of possessing even strongest bodies.
 
Theglassman12 said:
I'm talking about his possession, does he spam his possession a lot in character?
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If you atomize his body, yeah he'd send his remaining cells into you and basically use your body as a puppet.
 
how would he have any remaining Cells when anything Sephiroth does destroys everything he has into an atomic level?
 
Theglassman12 said:
how would he have any remaining Cells when anything Sephiroth does destroys everything he has into an atomic level?
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Evolto is a tricky one, he will start the battle with not entirety of his cells, but some of them will lurk somewhere in the battle field and could jump out and posesss the opponent.

Then again, he still has the option to teleport somewhere in the universe and absorbing planets until he has enough power to endure Sephiroth's atomic destruction and directly possesses him.(i means, why not ? Evolto alway welcome for a new host and Sephiroth seem like a perfect body for him)
 
So a couple of things regarding Sephiroth: his Regenerationn is only combat applicable up to Low-High, while he can come back with Mid-Godly it takes a long time (context of how he can handle it is vague in many ways as well), after which the fight is long over.

Possession wouldn't really work on Sephiroth for several reasons, aside his outright absurd resistance to Mind Manipulation and Corruption, his Advent Children self is no longer a biological being, but a creature made of negative life energy anchored by a few cells that in nature are parasitic, hostile, hazardous and incredibly resilient to destruction, alteration and very adaptive. Though, if, as mentioned, Evolto by becoming stronger can enhance his possession this may be overcome.

Sephiroth also always has his Memory Scanning ability active, reading the mind and entire knowledge of a person, so he will know what he's up against. However, if Evolto can resist Telepathy or Mental Abilities then this point is moot.

Off Topic: Who's Evolto's VA? He sounds pretty badass
 
Kamen Rider Xross said:
He really doesn't needs to spam it in his series, because one of them is enought to wipe out a planet. But yeah, he really doesn't show that he requiere to much to create one.
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No, Evolto does spam blackhole like hell, it's his main strategy. The reasons Evolto doesn't use it against Sento's group because he was overconfident that nobody can matched against his power.
 
Evolto beat this with Blackhole Spam, Sephiroth need to charge his strongest attack (Super Nova) but Evolto doesn't has death null, right?
 
"Possession wouldn't really work on Sephiroth for several reasons, aside his outright absurd resistance to Mind Manipulation and Corruption"

Neither of which would help against Evolt's possession since it's neither mind manipulation nor corruption. It's "Your body is now mine"; nothing's actually being corrupted and Sephiroph's mind isn't being screwed or something.

"his Advent Children self is no longer a biological being, but a creature made of negative life energy anchored by a few cells that in nature are parasitic, hostile, hazardous and incredibly resilient to destruction, alteration and very adaptive."

So something Evolt can very easily take over.

"Though, if, as mentioned, Evolto by becoming stronger can enhance his possession this may be overcome."

Seeing as Evolt's Cells survived the destruction of a Merger of two Universes in Kamen Rider Cross-Z even though when he died he was in his complete form (No cells was outside of him), I like his chances.

"Sephiroth also always has his Memory Scanning ability active, reading the mind and entire knowledge of a person, so he will know what he's up against. However, if Evolto can resist Telepathy or Mental Abilities then this point is moot."

How fast is this? Because Evolt is ancient as all hell and Sephiroth would see Evolt warping around eating planets for like 99% of his existence.
 
Sephiroth also always has his Memory Scanning ability active, reading the mind and entire knowledge of a person, so he will know what he's up against. However, if Evolto can resist Telepathy or Mental Abilities then this point is moot.

All of Kamen rider Build fighters can resists mind manipulation due to resist the mind-altering power of the Nebula Gas. Just by exposing to Nebula Gas could cause a person to goes insane and get turned into a Smash (basically, it's a monster in KR Build). A character can resist this by having their Hazard level reach level 1 (you could say this is somewhat like the powerlevel in KR Build), but being exposed to higher hazard level Nebula Gas can still turn them into monsters. Evolt has Hazard level 5+ (arguably much higher due to him curbstomped the fighters on this level) which is absurbly higher than Hazard level 1, seeing how the characters that has Hazard level 1 are building level while Hazard level 5 fighters are around Solar System level. So yeah, Evolt should be able to resist mind manipulation vastly above the baseline level.
 
How does Evolto's possesion works? Possession in itself has a method for working, it's not just taking over without explanation but rather it works on a certain level, be it mental, spiritual or physical. From what's being mentioned it works through the use of his cells, so would that make it Biological? That sort of details can help clarify how it could work with Sephiroth.

Need you to elaborate on how would he deal with Jenova Cells. You say Evolto can easily take them over, but I think more info on it is needed. If he has dealt with similar organism before or similar. You need to consider Jenova Cells also possess and mutate their hosts or organisms they come in contact with (as well as break apart the sense of self and mind of those injected with them) and Sephiroth can enforce his will and control anything with Jenova Cells in them, even his own body parts.

There's also Geostigma... buuut... It's kinda confusing there to be honest. If Evolto is using his Cells for possession then it could become an additional problem.

Sephy's mind read is thought based (being a psychic ability and all), it begins with the usual reading of present thoughts and then it goes deeper into memories. While it's vague how it would work in truly ancient beings as the only really old one in FFVII is Jenova herself, Sephiroth can handle and quickly assimilate information and knowledge from the Lifestream, which is essentially a record of life, memories and knowledge of all living beings in the Planet since life began on it billions of years ago.
 
You need to consider Jenova Cells also possess and mutate their hosts or organisms they come in contact with (as well as break apart the sense of self and mind of those injected with them)

The Nebula Gas in Kamen Rider Build possess the same trait as well, being hazardous and mutating peoples into monsters. All the nebula gas came from the Pandora Box, which is an artifact of the planet Blood that has enough hazardous energy to destroys entire universe, in the end of the series, Evolt absorbed all of these energy and attained his Ultimate form (which is not updated in the profile yet). So yes, i think he could handle Jenova cells fine

And yes, his possession is through his cells
 
"How does Evolto's possesion works? Possession in itself has a method for working, it's not just taking over without explanation but rather it works on a certain level, be it mental, spiritual or physical. From what's being mentioned it works through the use of his cells, so would that make it Biological? That sort of details can help clarify how it could work with Sephiroth."

Physical, yes. Which is why stuff like mind manipulation doesn't really matter since Evolt isn't possessing your mind or anything. Possibly also exotically due to Nebula Gas being a part of Evolt's physiology, which doesn't bode well for Sephiroth since Nebula Gas are reality-warping in nature (Literally connecting Universes).

"Need you to elaborate on how would he deal with Jenova Cells. You say Evolto can easily take them over, but I think more info on it is needed. If he has dealt with similar organism before or similar. You need to consider Jenova Cells also possess and mutate their hosts or organisms they come in contact with (as well as break apart the sense of self and mind of those injected with them) and Sephiroth can enforce his will and control anything with Jenova Cells in them, even his own body parts."

Main problem is the Jenova Cells will need to deal with Evolt's Cells which is filled to the brim with Nebula Gases, which as said by others before are extremely potent in what they do.

"There's also Geostigma... buuut... It's kinda confusing there to be honest. If Evolto is using his Cells for possession then it could become an additional problem."

From what the Wiki says, Geostigma doesn't seem to operate fast enough for the purposes of this battle since it takes variable amounts of time to be fatal.

"Sephy's mind read is thought based (being a psychic ability and all), it begins with the usual reading of present thoughts and then it goes deeper into memories. While it's vague how it would work in truly ancient beings as the only really old one in FFVII is Jenova herself, Sephiroth can handle and quickly assimilate information and knowledge from the Lifestream, which is essentially a record of life, memories and knowledge of all living beings in the Planet since life began on it billions of years ago."

All Sephiroth's gonna really see with Mind Read is "BLACK HOLE!!!!" which doesn't exactly help him :L
 
@Sinbad: That... sounds quite similar to what the Lifestream [https://youtu.be/-ww6qeily7Q?list=PLj5bkieyugVZkfgyCwR6bMVtnN29We5Gd&t=11 and] Mako do. I guess supernaturally hazardous gas and energies are popular tropes in fiction (then again pollution and its effect on nature is quite a concern all in all, so many works allude to them)

It must be considered that Sephiroth endured the effects of the Lifestream directly several times, once after nearly being killed and another after his very individuality was destroyed, and that the Planet is not a, as weird it is to say it, Planet Level being, but way above Sephiroth himself in the 4-B tier due to the Lifestream itself. Now, if as you say, the Nebula gas puts Evolto at 3-A/Low 2-C in his ultimate form (or even just his abilities), then he would overpower Sephiroth's resistances with little issue.

@Akreious: It's actually pretty tricky, I made the same mistake initially. Reality Warping is not quite an ability per-se and more of a macro-category that works as a means to give access to other abilities. From what I get, Nebula Gas having reality warping nature allows Evolto to possess through Biological means. I could be wrong due to lack of context, but merging different universes seems to go towards Space-Time Manipulation.

Sephy will likely come across the Black Hole obsession (hearing it in Evolto's evil and awesome voice), but the memory scan can unravel other information. Stuff like backup plans and such will be uncovered, such as if Evolto has backup cells. However, this is simply an equivalent of Sephiroth having prior information, whether he can counter or not what Evolto does depends entirely on how his owns skills measure up. To be honest, Sephiroth can endure resists powerful Gravity wells without issue, but there's a world of difference between that and a Black Hole isn't it? To be fair, I am pretty ignorant about Black Holes in general >_>;

Eeeeeeh... it's not quite slow as much as a pretty bad case of "as fast as whatever the plot needs to build up the melodrama" so it's indeed pretty unreliable for combat in itself.

Another thing we should bring up as well, we've been focusing on Evolto's offensive and how Sephiroth would hold up. But it's also necessary to discuss how how Sephiroth's offenses and Evolto's defenses fare in the fight. Due to his high AP, it's easy to think Spehy only resorts to a brute force, but he has many varied, if straightforward abilities, he does resort to tricks like Illusions and manipulation of the senses and perceptions of his enemies to create openings based on what he finds in their memories, he also tries to immobilize and outright crush them with telekinesis right away. He also has several haxes to incapacitate opponents, and though Evolto thanks to his biology likely resists Sephiroth's paralysis and transmutation into frogs, there are still possibilities like Sephiroth's own mind manipulation abilities if Evolto ends up with Jenova Cells within him (which isn't that unlikely as contact with Negative Lifestream is all that's needed, Sephiroth starts by summoning it to the field and he himself is made mostly of it), Time Stop, Sleep that can leave open for Flare (which is Atomic and Radiation Manipulation), the Supernova, Petrification (argueably, need confirmation if Evolto has dealt with something like this or if Biological resistance protects from Petrification)

Also, if Evolto can survive as long as his Cells remain and he can simply possess a new host, wouldn't that give him Immortality Types 6 and 8 (Parasitic and Reliant)?
 
@Sinbad: That... sounds quite similar to what the Lifestream [https://youtu.be/-ww6qeily7Q?list=PLj5bkieyugVZkfgyCwR6bMVtnN29We5Gd&t=11 and] Mako do. I guess supernaturally hazardous gas and energies are popular tropes in fiction (then again pollution and its effect on nature is quite a concern all in all, so many works allude to them)

Well, maybe Kamen rider Build got some inspiration from FFVII, seeing how popular it is

Now, if as you say, the Nebula gas puts Evolto at 3-A/Low 2-C in his ultimate form (or even just his abilities), then he would overpower Sephiroth's resistances with little issue.

My post mostly just refer to Evolto will be able to resist Jenova cell's corruptions and mental abilities fine, seeing how the Pandora Box's energy (which Nebula gas spawn from) is extremely poisoinous to the victim's mind and their biological body. Evolt absorbed all of these massive hazardous energy of Pandora Box like nothing, and still keep his mind sane and well should be able to tell us how strong is his mind manipulation resistance is

To answer your other question, kinda off topic but here's go : Yes, the Pandora Box has the power to manipulate the boundary between parallel worlds, but not much versalities on it's space-time manipulation. A fraction of Pandora Box's power did pull 2 timelines at each other and about to crush them both with the collision. If a ritual is done right, it could merge 2 parallel worlds together and fuse the existence of the residences of both world together.

Kinda busy right now so i gonna reply on other points later :P
 
I would be tempted to say that Evolto could still get corrupted by the Jenova. The Jenova cells aren't just biologically corrupting, Cloud could avoid being turned into just another Sephiroth part more or less but the influence of Sephiroth's mind couldn't be done away with until the end. His mind is also powerful enough to resist being absorbed into the influence of the lifestream, itself a confluence of all the minds and knowledge of all beings born in the planet since it's inception. It is not a matter of choice either, you aren't supposed to be able to keep your ego and individuality at all while inside the Lifestream. He did this all the way back on his first death and the resistance is even stronger now.

On the biological side, both seem more or less similar in potency, since AP doesn't equal Biological Manipulation I'd say.
 
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