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dragon ball cosmology revision

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HrishikeshM

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as we all know a universe in dragon ball consists of several different realms like

living or mortal universe

demon universe which is opposite or reverse of mortal universe

afterlife which contains hell and heaven which are about as wide as the mortal universe

supreme kai realm which is 1/10 of all the others

we also know from dbs that a mortal universe in db actually its own thing and looks something like this

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sorry i dont have the official picture right now but this is close enough......as we can see that the demon universe, hell, heaven, supreme kai realm, nothing is included here.....so their existence is parallel to the mortal universe and they all are of comparable sizes as these universes

so when somebody destroys all of universe 7, they are also destroying the parallel universe sized dimensions along with the mortal universe and we know to destroy two or more universe sized dimensions someone is 2-c

destroyng all the multiverse would be like destroying much more than 12 universe size dimensions

there is also a statement from goku: "It's that 'Super Saiyan 3' thing from before…It's a technique you should only use in the afterlife…In this world, where time exists, it uses too much energy, and you get completely exhausted all at once…"
 
DBS
This is Zeno's palace which has all 12 universes including his own. As we can see, this picture illustrates that the afterlife is in a different dimension or reality that is only accessible via dimensional travel. Making each universes to have his own 2-C structure withing their respective universes.


Here we have this globe that was used only in guides, DBS Manga, and DB Kai:
DB Universe
This map should only be used as a tour of how Universe 7 looks and not taken as a counter argument that the mortal and afterlife are connected!


Here are more model used in DBS (Anime):

Universe7 (2)
In DBS (Anime) Whis explains the universes yet we never saw it with the afterlife. Making a strong evidence that they are separate and not merge together.
 
A part of me wants to agree with this but 2-C BoG arc god-tiers feels a bit.....well....

NoThatsWrog
 
I'm pretty sure this was discussed an rejected multiple times before.

Anyway, we don't consider the Afterlifes having their own space-time. "In a place where time flows like Earth" or time flowing differently are just at best examples of non-linear time. Not that they have different timelines entirely. Plus we don't really see any demonstrated examples of time effecting differently between afterlife and living world. Also, the imageries are inconsistent, as we only see some galaxies within the bubbles. I wouldn't use the "We don't visually see Heaven and Hell inside the bubble" as an argument.

Also, King Kai's Planet is literally inside the Afterlife, while at the same time, it's inside Universe 7. It took Whis 28 minutes to fly from his planet in Universe 7 to King Kai's planet and 3 minutes from King Kai's planet to Earth. So the Afterlifes are indeed inside the Universes.
 
Using Whis traveling as an argument is not really a good example. For one he uses the same method to get to other Universes which are shown outside of Universe 7. The measurment of time it takes to get Whis to certain destinations is also inconsistent as well as Whis has been shown to travel at a certain speed to get to the Dinosaur Planet yet Beerus managed to get there in a much faster time.
 
This is the only time we actually see the universe in canon. The Manga provides context but the actual scale shouldn't be taken super literally (Heaven in 3-B in size as well as Snake Way). The universes seen in all of the anime fit the description of the living world, which is said to have many many stars. Not only is the afterlife nowhere to be seen but the afterlife doesn't have multiple stars and isn't even small enough to fit in this orb.

On the time flow thing. It's pretty blatant that a slower flow of time can help you manage SSJ3. Goku unlocked it in the afterlife and Gotenks unlocked it in the ROSAT. Both areas where time flows different. Earth is at the edge of the universe and King Kai's planet is at the edge of the afterlife, so a timeframe isn't that relevant because Whis has dimension travel.

At this point I don't really care if it makes the characters High 3-A, low 2-C, or 2-C. All I'm sayin is that the afterlife is another dimension.
 
Planck69 said:
A part of me wants to agree with this but 2-C BoG arc god-tiers feels a bit.....well....
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At Least Low 2-C. Everything after Infinite Zamasu will be 2-C if this gets accepted which it will never be.

Unless we get new map that shows the complete sphere of the Afterlife without the mortal realm.
 
This is from Zen O's profile:

"Note: We consider the universes in Dragon Ball alternate timespaces relative each other, hence why Zen'ō is rated as 2-C, despite the events in the Goku Black Saga showing parallel timelines encompassing the whole of the multiverse.

The reason for this is that Universe 7 by itself has already been shown to contain parallel space-time continuums within its globe, such as the Room of Spirit and Time, which is still affected by time travel; which proves that the new timelines can encompass other space-times as well, and thus the events in the Future Trunks Saga don't prove anything in the way of the universes being physically connected."

So, outside of the RoSaT, what other space-time continuums are being alluded to on the profile?
 
Super Saiyan 3 Goku time-limit is not a strong argument.

It could mean that he does not belong in the world of leaving. When he uses that form it drains his life/stamina thus it subtracts the time left on Earth. Since Goku is dead, he has Immortality Type 1 and Self-Sustenance Type 2, 3 while in the afterlife. In the mortal realm, he has all except Self-Substance Type 3.

It is not consistant because of Vegeta vs Kid Buu.
 
Yes, Brane cosomology timelines are a thing, but those often need more elaborate proof. And nonlinear time within a single timeline is also a thing.
 
This is from Zen O's profile:

"Note: We consider the universes in Dragon Ball alternate timespaces relative each other, hence why Zen'ō is rated as 2-C, despite the events in the Goku Black Saga showing parallel timelines encompassing the whole of the multiverse.

The reason for this is that Universe 7 by itself has already been shown to contain parallel space-time continuums within its globe, such as the Room of Spirit and Time, which is still affected by time travel; which proves that the new timelines can encompass other space-times as well, and thus the events in the Future Trunks Saga don't prove anything in the way of the universes being physically connected."

So, outside of the RoSaT, what other space-time continuums are being alluded to on the profile?

This quote needs to be more elaborate TBH.
 
That proves it has its own body of space that's even further away than then main universe, but not enough for it to be considered an entire alternate timeline.
 
The realm of the Kai is likely hidden somewhere in the universe like the demon realm. However it's pretty blatant that the afterlife isn't inside the universe.

Also, no one is getting upgraded except a slight Zeno AP increase and a range increase for 3-A and above.
 
It is evident that the different universes are shown as if they shared the same space-time or something like that due to the hax of the characters and for a friendly storytelling to all audiences.
 
i dont think the universe like orbs in zeno place are actually universes because then priest will be multigalaxy sized.....
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Anyway, we don't consider the Afterlifes having their own space-time. "In a place where time flows like Earth" or time flowing differently are just at best examples of non-linear time.
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but just like how 12 universes are treated to be different universes making it 2-c......just like that the universe-sized realms would also be similar

meaning there are not 12 universe sized dimensions, there are actually at least 24 or 36 or perhaps more
 
@HrishikeshM

The pixel scaling doesn't work like that; the universes could still be contained in the globes with the universes being massively bigger on the inside than they appear on the outside. Kirby's stomach is an entire universe for instance.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
@HrishikeshM
The pixel scaling doesn't work like that; the universes could still be contained in the globes with the universes being massively bigger on the inside than they appear on the outside. Kirby's stomach is an entire universe for instance.
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we see super shenron's light clearly in the mortal universe but we dont see universe sized realms like heaven and hell and even supreme kai realm which is separate from everything else......
 
No other information is given apart from the Grand Priest referring to the universes as the "mortal realm"

It would make sense. When you see them arrive there, there is always the teleporting effect.

Also this is off topic but Grand Priest should have Cosmic Awareness since he watches the multiverse from a place outside of it.
 
Zenkaibattery1 said:
No other information is given apart from the Grand Priest referring to the universes as the "mortal realm"
It would make sense. When you see them arrive there, there is always the teleporting effect.

Also this is off topic but Grand Priest should have Cosmic Awareness since he watches the multiverse from a place outside of it.
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Zen'o too.
 
No.

Grand Priest has to actively tell and Show Zen'o what's going on across the multiverse. He literally did it right before the ToP. Whereas GP knew exactly what was happening.

Something else that backs this up is he has cross-universal hearing. He could hear his children speaking while inside the World of Void and they were in their own universe.
 
This decision was made after a great deal of discussion and it would require a massive amount of staff approval to get through. So I'd suggest you either message the admins, disco mods, etc or close this thread.
 
Zenkaibattery1 said:
No.
Grand Priest has to actively tell and Show Zen'o what's going on across the multiverse. He literally did it right before the ToP. Whereas GP knew exactly what was happening.

Something else that backs this up is he has cross-universal hearing. He could hear his children speaking while inside the World of Void and they were in their own universe.
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What about when Zeno found out about the Destroyer Tournament?
 
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