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Patchy avenges Spongebob ~ Patchy vs Alex Mercer

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Can we stop bloodlusting the guy with thought based hax and putting him up against people who have no counters against that kinda thing? Thanks.
 
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the only way this can get a bit fairer is if the OP removes the bloodlusted condition for both of the fighters.

What is Patchy's leading move without the bloodlust?
 
Mercer's leading move for his Low 7-C and 7-C keys should logically be unleashing practically omnidirectional AoE gasses, which infects his targets (bringing the rest of his hax in as a result).

Does the cannonballs have anything special on Patchy's end?
 
Non bloodlusted, Patchy uses time hacks the most. Then probably Plot hacks

Bloodlusted. Plot hacks.


Should note. Patchy is high enough in Small Town level not to be one shot. Even with an omnidirectional attack. Patchy also has ways to escape that via sort of teleporting (via dimensional travel), so he could honestly even escape that. And considering it's Omnidirectional. He probably would react in such a way. So even if He got it in. Patchy still has ways to dodge it.
 
Has Patchy's Plot Manipulation ever took out characters with Regenerationn the level of Mercer? Because abilities like these needs feats for such (especially when it involves killing/destroying/defeating a character with great levels of Regenerationn).

Though I heard Patchy starts off with his cannonballs first in-character (neither characters are bloodlusted in this match as it is currently), so I'm not even sure he would start off with his time hax.
 
Plot hacks easily bypass regen. It doesn't need to face someone of Alex regen level cause it's the plot. He can no him out of existence if he wanted

He uses time hacks more than he used cannon balls. Which is why he all the time hack types. Safest to say is an opener
 
Scans for Patchy's Plot Manipulation causing Existence Erasure? If there are no scans/evidence for such, then it shouldn't even be assumed that Patchy can use Plot Manipulation that way. Abilities like these needs feats, or else it'll just be NLF.

That directly contradicts one of the users stating that Patchy starts off with cannonballs in-character.
 
Plot hacks literally manipulated the plot. He changes what will happen. It's like spongebob having the book. Technically, he can write, this person stopped existing. The the plot. It's what happens. It's what will happen. Much like burger bears controls what spongebob did or what happened to him or where he was. And even if he can exist. So can patchy. He just is manipulating plot itself, aka. He can erase

He doesn't though. He just had cannons. He doesn't really start with them. He would only use them at a distance realistically
 
DeathNoodles said:
Has Patchy's Plot Manipulation ever took out characters with Regenerationn the level of Mercer? Because abilities like these needs feats for such (especially when it involves killing/destroying/defeating a character with great levels of Regenerationn).
Though I heard Patchy starts off with his cannonballs first in-character, so I'm not even sure he would start off with his time hax.
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It's Plot Manipulation. Unless it's a really shitty variant then Mercer's regen means jack when he could have his powers written away, the story be twisted so that he loses or just be plain removed from the plot of the fight. And Mercer's regen isn't even remotely near the levels where narrative or plot erasure might not be able to deal with him.

From what I heard, either cannon-balls or time-stop seems to be his first in-character moves.
 
That's incorrect. Plot. Aka. What can and will happen. Patchy can manipulate it. It doesn't matter that Alex has high regen. Patchy can lol no it with plot. Plot manipulation covers most hacks as its manipulation of what's going to happen flat. If someone stopped existing, if their regen stopped working, if they just died suddenly. ECT. Plot hacks cover it. So plot hacks Lol no regen.

He hasn't even really used cannon balls in the show. He has them. It's a weapon he has at his disposal and would use if in a fight at the right distance or on his ship. But not really his opener
 
Provide feats/scans of Patchy using Plot Manipulation to cause Existence Erasure or killing/destroying a character with Mercer's level of Regenerationn. Just because a character like Patchy has Plot Manipulation, they shouldn't be assume to be able to achieve anything with it. They'll need feats/scans to demonstrate the extent of their abilities. If they don't have feats/scans, then it shouldn't be assumed that can perform the extent described via lack of evidence, thus No-Limits Fallacy.

@Buttersamuri This match does start at a distance.
 
DeathNoodles said:
Provide feats/scans of Patchy using Plot Manipulation to cause Existence Erasure or killing/destroying a character with Mercer's level of Regenerationn. Just because a character like Patchy has Plot Manipulation, they shouldn't be assume to be able to achieve anything with it. They'll need feats/scans to demonstrate the extent of their abilities. If they don't have feats/scans, then it shouldn't be assumed that can do such via lack of evidence, thus No-Limits Fallacy.

@Buttersamuri This match does start at a distance.
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Ok. Understand that Plot hacks Manipulate Everything. It literally can change anything abott it the story. What happens. Everything. It can Bypass regen. It can erase people. It's the plot. It's what happens. Patchy controls it. He literally control what will happen. Regen means jack here. If he thinks "ok. Alex doesn't exist anymore." The plot makes Alex not exist anymore. That's how plot hacks work.

Still not an opener really, and my point of dodging his attack still stands. If he opened with the AOE attack. Patchy could easily dodge and time hack him from there. Which is his more safe opener
 
Buttersamuri said:
Ok. Understand that Plot hacks Manipulate Everything. It literally can change anything abott it the story. What happens. Everything. It can Bypass regen. It can erase people. It's the plot. It's what happens. Patchy controls it. He literally control what will happen. Regen means jack here.

Still not an opener really, and my point of dodging his attack still stands. If he opened with the AOE attack. Patchy could easily dodge and time hack him from there. Which is his more safe opener
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Again. Provide. Feats.

No feats or scans with the ability = NLF. And when it's NLF, the extent of the abilities you described that the character can achieve is invalid due to lack of solid evidence. And if it's invalid, it can't really be used in a Versus debate.
 
DeathNoodles said:
Provide feats/scans of Patchy using Plot Manipulation to cause Existence Erasure or killing/destroying a character with Mercer's level of Regenerationn. Just because a character like Patchy has Plot Manipulation, they shouldn't be assume to be able to achieve anything with it. They'll need feats/scans to demonstrate the extent of their abilities. If they don't have feats/scans, then it shouldn't be assumed that can do such via lack of evidence, thus No-Limits Fallacy.
@Buttersamuri This match does start at a distance.
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Removing someone with no resistance from the plot is such a basic use of the ability that unless he has a "Limited" moderator then yeah, he's definitely doing it. It's the same as a charcter that has full on telekinesis being unable to rip someone's heart out without 'feats and statements'.
 
I don't have the Time when he used it. But the point is. Plot hacks cover being able to lol no regen.

Your entirely ignoring the fact the power covers that ability. He can easily do it. There's 0 reason he couldn't. It's plot hacks. Plot hacks cover that ability. "Alex's regen stooped working all of a sudden". Boom. No more regen. Plot changed it. Cause plot hacks
 
Planck69 said:
Removing someone with no resistance from the plot is such a basic use of the ability that unless he has a "Limited" moderator then yeah, he's definitely doing it. It's the same as a charcter that has full on telekinesis being unable to rip someone's heart out without 'feats and statements'.
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Buttersamuri said:
I don't have the Time when he used it. But the point is. Plot hacks cover being able to lol no regen.

Your entirely ignoring the fact the power covers that ability. He can easily do it. There's 0 reason he couldn't. It's plot hacks. Plot hacks cover that ability. "Alex's regen stooped working all of a sudden". Boom. No more regen. Plot changed it. Cause plot hacks
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It doesn't matter if it's a "basic use of the ability" as a power in general, characters like Patchy still needs to induce effects such as Existence Erasure. If such characters doesn't have such feats, then it's NLF, thus invalid in a Versus context.
 
Incorrect. It's not a NLF. It's an ability he has and fully capable of doing. Burger bears never erased someone from existence. But he still could. He just would have to do it. Unless his powers are shown to actually be limited to not being able to. There's no reason it shouldn't be able to do it
 
Buttersamuri said:
Incorrect. It's not a NLF. It's an ability he has and fully capable of doing. Burger bears never erased someone from existence. But he still could. He just would have to do it. Unless his powers are shown to actually be limited to not being able to. There's no reason it shouldn't be able to do it
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If characters like Burger Bears has never been shown or stated to be able to erase a target from existence, then it shouldn't be assumed they can do so without being considered NLF. It's as simple as that. Feats are very important in a Versus context.
 
Ok ignoring plot manip for a sec, it doesn't matter how high into 7c patchy is, he will be oneshot by mercers first move if it hits, mercers first move in this key is to gas the area, this gas infects things on a molecular level, afaik patchy has no means to survive such an effect.

Now on to plot hax, i'd like to know what patchy has used his plothax for in character. How does he make use of this ability normally?
 
Plot hacks have that capability. He just doesn't show to use it. Aka. He wouldn't use it in character. Not he can't use it
 
Buttersamuri said:
Plot hacks have that capability. He just doesn't show to use it. Aka. He wouldn't use it in character. Not he can't use it
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He does have to show it. It is the very important for a character to show feats/scans that showcases that they can perform a specific feat. If they have not shown such, then they wouldn't be assumed to do so due to NLF.
 
DeathNoodles said:
It doesn't matter if it's a "basic use of the ability" as a power in general, characters like Patchy still needs to induce effects such as Existence Erasure. If such characters doesn't have such feats, then it's NLF, thus invalid in a Versus context.
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EE is just the result of him removing Mercer from the story, which is what any plot-hax user with the full ability can do. It isn't NLF when the feat in question can be achieved by literally any user of the ability. Otherwise we need feats of perception manip user turning himself invisible even though almost any user of the ability can do that.
 
The pen or the sword said:
Ok ignoring plot manip for a sec, it doesn't matter how high into 7c patchy is, he will be oneshot by mercers first move if it hits, mercers first move in this key is to gas the area, this gas infects things on a molecular level, afaik patchy has no means to survive such an effect.

Now on to plot hax, i'd like to know what patchy has used his plothax for in character. How does he make use of this ability normally?
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First point. Gotcha. Well. I doubt he would hit him if they are that far away due to was to stop and prevent this. Patchy also doesn't need to breathe. So maybe could prevent it that way too

He got mad and changed the ending of the episode. I'm not saying he would even try to Erase Alex. I'm just saying he can
 
Buttersamuri said:
Plot hacks have that capability. He just doesn't show to use it. Aka. He wouldn't use it in character. Not he can't use it
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Some users of plot hax do. Not all of them. Prove Patchy can do it.
 
Planck69 said:
EE is just the result of him removing Mercer from the story, which is what any plot-hax user with the full ability can do. It isn't NLF when the feat in question can be achieved by literally any user of the ability. Otherwise we need feats of perception manip user turning himself invisible even though almost any user of the ability can do that.
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It doesn't matter if other characters with Plot Manipulation that are not Patchy can do it, what matters is if Patchy himself has showcased that he can do such. If he can't, then he shouldn't be assumed to be able to do such due to lack of feats and scans.
 
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