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AP vs Hax: Mewtwo VS. Infinite

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Hax is always better than AP if the AP isn't something that can prevent it, so yeah, Mewtwo thinks.
 
Mewtwo doesn't start with mindhax, he starts with TK

Infinite confuses him with ruby illusions so he wouldn't know which is the real infinite nor those random people and then one of them one shoots him by suprise, or he changes the surroundings to make him even harder to hit or to mindhax, Infinite takes this

Plus each illusion has a mind as seen with Zavok so it will be even harder for him to find the real one
 
InfintiElixirBlue said:
Mewtwo FRA
What are Infinite's wincons? Does he at least have higher AP?
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Infinite is baseline 5-A. If Mewtwo scales to 717 zettatons like I remember, Infinite has nearly a 4x AP advantage.
 
Illusion resistance through mindhax resistance neuters that advantage. Mewtwo pinches him and Infinite turns into stone. His literal only advantage is AP. Mewtwo's smarter, more versatile, and has everything Infinite has but more. Infinite needs a lucky shot that not only kills but beats him in a way to bypass the regen and resurrection.
 
If Infinite can affect both Sonic and Shadow with their resistances than so can he affect Mewtwo

That only works if Mewtwo actualy finds the real Infinite, which would be hard with how the ruby works, he would only know if he can see souls

That's vague, Infinite has more effective hax and experience in fighting as a mercenary and matching Sonic in skill and most of all illusions clones who have the same powers as the original, so he could even make Mewtwo clones

Infinite's AP advantage already takes that, plus even sending him in a virtual reality like he did with Shadow
 
Infinite can disorientate by reversing gravity, trap Mewtwo in a virtual reality, induce time loops, or even create multiple replicas of Mewtwo with the same powers as the original, so Mewtwo would have to fight himself many times over.

Voting Infinite.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Infinite can disorientate by reversing gravity, trap Mewtwo in a virtual reality, induce time loops, or even create multiple replicas of Mewtwo with the same powers as the original, so Mewtwo would have to fight himself many times over.
Voting Infinite.
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Mewtwo can BFR and Time Travel tho
 
Yes, Mewtwo can see souls from scaling to Mew who's a psychopomp, and Sonic and Shadow's resistances only are above Mewtwo's in Super, not base. Illusions of Infinite won't work on him.

Infinite does not have more effective hax. That's shown just looking at their profile. And no, Infinite has nowhere near the skill of Mewtwo. For several reasons. One, hegor mollywopped by Shadow. Two, having good powers doesn't mean having good skill. Heck, I'd wager Sonic doesn't even have as good of skill as Mewtwo, given Mewtwo was genetically designed to be superior in all categories to be original 150, including a Pokémon that knows all martial arts and a Pokémon that is a genius strategist.

4x advantage means little in a battle of hax on this level, especially given Mewtwo nigh-passively doubles his stats the instant the battle starts and has moves to instantly swap the stats of it and it's opponent, putting Infinite at a disadvantage.

Not only is inducing gravity completely countered by TK, but it's something Pokémon as weak as Clefairy can do. It's less than nothing to Mewtwo.

When has Infinite ever put someone in a time loop?


BFR is nothing to 2-C teleportation.

Infinite's clones are squishy. They get matched by the fodder in the resistance army and oneshot by Shadow. Sonic only lost in the first place because he was ganged up on. Not to mention Mewtwo has cloning too.

Megatwo is likely gonna be SS level and MFTL+ by the end of the month tho so I'm expecting this to get outdated.
 
Seeing souls will only make him know which Infinite is the real, just that really

Sonic and Shadow already have planetary resistance in base thanks to Dark Gaia and Devil Doom

This is just a no u, give examples. That was pre Ruby Infinite so using that as a anti-feat is dumb and it was because of stats, stats who once were given he was doing as well. In the first cutscene we literaly ser Infinite trade kicks with Sonic and punchs, it wasn't just powers. Sonic beat Emerl and even Knuckles who already are that, and is superior to Eggman as well.

Mewtwo will not even know who to swap stats, and even then pretty sure all illusions will keep their powers, also Mewtwo has to actualy use this when this match will end quickly

Virtual Reality, level with the same name, Episode Shadow

This again? The first cutscene and Zavok's/Metal's fight already puts that wrong, plus multa statments, that was just PIS, plus even playing Devil's advocate those people who one-shooted him are stronger than Mewtwo anyways, so not working

Why? Manga feats? Meh, Infinite might also be way above his level of 5-A and speed as well, so ditto
 
Infinite's powers are also virtual reality, not just illusions so mindhax resistance wouldn't mean much.

Infinite got mollywopped by Shadow because he didn't have the Phantom Ruby at the time, so he was absolute fodder compared to him. Sonic beat Emerl who has 4,000 years of combat experience and can copy skills on a whim in under 30 seconds. I don't see how Mewtwo has better skill.

Infinite put Shadow in a time loop.

BFR was only brought up because ZephyrosOmega mentioned Mewtwo having it. The Phantom Ruby can create portals to other dimensions so Mewtwo's BFR would be useless as well.

The clones of Zavok and Metal Sonic are fought as bosses. This is on top of them being stated to be as formidable as the originals with the same powers and abilities. You can attribute the clones being one-shotted because of Sonic and by extension the others getting stronger and thus exceeding the previous data Infinite collected on them.

4-B and MFTL+ Mega Mewtwo? Is the thread for that done?
 
Edit: Ninja'd hard by my boi Shadow.

Neither of them have planetary mental feats. Neither have been accepted. Make that CRT. Devil Doom is a hivemind and tried to use that to subject Shadow, while Dark Gaia I'm admittedly unsure of. Regardless, Megatwo is planetary as well.

We see Frieza trade punches with Goku. Doesn't mean Frieza is anywhere near as skilled as Goku. Emerl I know of (granted I have yet to see anything besides his age giving any sense of non-copied skill), but where's the proof of Knuckles being that skilled. If you want I can show you Machamp and Alakazam to not be a double standard. And kinda can be a no u. Eggman's not a fighter, which is incomparable here. Also this is a no-u because the profiles are treated as the end-all-be-all. Barring maybe one or two things, everything Infinite has done, Mewtwo has done and more.

If the fight ends quickly, it's be in the favor of the far more haxxed Mewtwo, given Infinite has zero instant win techniques. Not to mention precog is in his favor. There's more than enough time for the extraordinary genius fighter to figure out something so simple as "this dude hits harder than me."

Yes, this again. Feats>statements. Multiple statements pale in comparison to actual feats, in which important cutscenes and the entire climax show them being cannon fodder to the army. The most you can do is claim an inconsistency, or that some clones retain their initial power, but not all.

To conclude, look at all the ways Mewtwo has to win compared to Infinite. No matter what Infinite pulls, he has to still launch an attack with a vector to Mewtwo enough times to kill him past his regen/res. Meanwhile, Mewtwo can mindhax, petrify, soul switch, time travel, or just teleport the Phantom Ruby and either use it for himself or just BFR it away. Not to mention Mewtwo can buff himself to match Infinite's level, effectively taking away his only advantage. If Infinite tries to buff himself back, Psych Up just gives Mewtwo the same buffs.

(I mean the difference here is that the feat already happened and we're waiting for it to be translated.)
 
Except they have in multiple threads? Black Doom controls the entire black arms race which there are enough to consume all humans and conquer the universe, if Mega Mewtwo is planetary only and Infinite works on people above planetary than it works on Mewtwo, I don't need to make a CRT when it's already accepted

Bad analogy, Freeza is know for not doing much training, and I am pretty sure multiple Dragon ball fans would say yes about that, anyways we literaly ser Infinite fight Sonic twice and beat him, not just using his powers so he scales. Knuckles is stated to be a martial arts master multiple times. Eggman part was about the "genius startegist" comment. Not going to bait me like in other PK matchs, just because he has more moves doesn't change the fact he has to think and use every single of them, while Infinite's are more effective because he spams them and them already insta help the fight when he already is stronger, plus making a clone of Mewtwo already gives him all his haxes as well

Far more haxed that actualy has to use his moves versus the stronger and able to literaly make a clone with all your power, thousands of them

Except there is as many feats as explained which you are selective ignoring it plus Shadow's reasons

Stop doing the thing where you list everything of the opponent ignoring the way they do and character, all those moves have to actualy hit Infinite, which illusions make it extremely hard, the Ruby is infused with Infinite as seen in in the game, it's part of him now, Mewtwo can't just teleport It. Infinite clones would still have his OG power plus Mewtwo clones can do the same

(Those feats were already calculated and accepted as well, just gotta compile them)
 
Again, hivemind. Not mind control, hivemind. There's a major difference And bring it it up on multiple threads =/= it was accepted throughout them all. There wasn't any thread about making Dark Gaia's mindhax being upgraded. Just people saying there was. I'll eat my words if you're right, I mean it.

Honestly, this cloning business sounds like the SB Janemba thing all over again. You weren't around during that heyday but the gist of it was that one dude kept going everywhere saying that because Janemba could clone people, he'd always just clone the opponent and win that way. People got sick of it and called him out on his NLF. This is literally no different. If Infinite's cloning is so good, how come it was just the same five villains over and over? Why didn't he make clones of Sonic and co.?

I already said Shadow ninja'd me.

No, not all those moves have to hit Infinite. Because they're all thought based, barring petrification. Infinite has to win a battle of attrition while everything besides the Janemba-like cloning is countered or surpassed. Subjective reality is outdone by Mewtwo's own reality warping. Illusions are countered by mental resistances, and it's stated that psychic's mental prowess<their mental defenses by Sabrina, alongside planetary mind reading and sensing. Mewtwo would never lose track of the real one. AP advantage is countered by buffs Mewtwo does the instant the match starts even if his opponent was weaker, as well as Regenerationn and resurrection. Clones are countered by the fact that it's an NLF that was debunked years ago when a similar character was being spammed back in 2016 and would need feats of copying all the powers Mewtwo has as well as his character proofing he copies his opponents instead of sending his already copied characters after them.

Why would Infinite's dupes be unaffected by any changes happening to prime Infinite? They're reliant on his power and if it wanes, so should theirs. Even in the worst case scenario of being overwhelmed by clones, Mewtwo takes over their minds and sicks them on Infinite. Plus they're all 5-B and swapping stats with Infinite would make Mewtwo 5-A with the raw power to just cream them all. Or could just straight up power null anything too esoteric.

Fair enough on the fused Ruby tho.
 
You know, I am pretty busy this week so I don't have the time to argue on long posts right now, and since this match will be outdated no matter who is upgraded I will leave you at that, if I find myself less busy I might reply again as well
 
The real cal howard said:
Yeah, you have a point. Let's agree to disagree.
Oh btw man happy early thanksgiving!
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oi can you send me the link to the threads where my boi mewtwo may get upped to 4-B?

i want to see that.
 
It changed because Infinite can one shoot him to hell and beyond, pretty much what I said earlier plus now any attack finishs this
 
No, I did not, getting the last word is not the same as been debunked lol, plus Cal's argument was that that it was a battle of "attrition", now it isn't anymore, anything beats Mewtwo in one shoot, literaly Mewtwo would have no time to use any of his hax, also the mindhax thing is objectively wrong as well, plus not even understanding how the Ruby works, it has nothing to do with mindhax resistance
 
how is it not? is this manga or game mewtwo.. . either way he can't use more than one power at once while infinite can use all his clones abilities at once.
 
Infinite doesn't tend to use clones in a 1v1 anyway, at least not against people he doesn't know of. He sure didn't do it against the avatar.
 
Sonic is a well-known hero who's saved the world countless times whom infinite knows a lot about

Mewtwo is some rando to him that he's never seen before
 
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