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Methuselah's AP and Durability Upgrades

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Methuselah profile

Attack Potency:

Meth AP is ranked as planet lvl but that doesn't make any sense even the very explanation in his profile contradicts that

A single night's mystery requires the destruction of half the planet, and Methuselah can create Jaws of darkness with a density of a hundred nights.

as stated in this thread required energy for destroying half the planet is 1.535e32 Joules. 1.535e32 x 100 = 1.535×10^34 joules or 3.668738049E+24 tons = 3.6 yottatons aka large planet lvl

or by second method 2.392827437E+24 still large planet lvl

then we have it: (this one was incorrect so ignore this)

Nihili Est Qui Nihil Amat
(Nothing Is That Which Nothing Loves): An ability where Methuselah binds his targets inside a sphere and then ejects multiple layers of night. It contains a density of 500,000 layers of night, which equals to 1,400 years. These layers are separated from each other, so they must be destroyed individually to escape. Not only that, but this prison compresses itself until it crushes anything inside it. Moreover, since circumferences of heaven and earth inside this is indecipherable, one may end up harming themselves. Methuselah can also opt to move the cage and send it elsewhere, essentially removing the target from the battlefield.

5000 nights, as stated in scans nights condensed/combined with each other too

5000 nights will be calculated to 1.834369024E+28 tons aka 18 ninatons dwarf star lvl

or by second method 1.196413718E+28 tons aka 11 ninatons large planet lvl

Durability:

A single night's mystery is equivalent to the durability of half the planet, with Methuselah piling up nights from the time of Mercurius to 1944, including his time loops, with their numbers being in the decillions at least


this is false as Mercurius's era had infinite universes not decillions and seeing Meth is made of infinite nights his durability will be high universe lvl not planet lvl

even assuming he is made of decillions nights 1.535e32x10^33x2 = 3.07×10^65 joules or 8.054493307E+55 tons aka 80 TeraFoe multi solar system lvl

Correction 1:

it's not decillions of nights - its decillions of time resets.

The nights are from the: (Creation of Darkness [Meth] to the night Meth died in 1945) x at least a decillion time loops (factually much more, but Meth stopped counting).

so here we have a new calculation:

13.8 billion years has 5037000000000 days/nights aka 5 trillion nights

5037000000000x1 decillion = 5.037×10^45

or x 2 decillions = 1.0074×10^46

1.535e32x5.037×10^45 = 7.731795×10^77 joules or 1.847943355E+68 tons aka 3-B Multi Galaxy level

Correction 2:

Mercurius's Era was as long as 4000 Nayuta in planck time and each planck time is as big as 10^60

4000 Nuyata will be converted into the 2495629629629626 days/nights too. 2495629629629626 x one decillion = 2.49562963×10^48

1.535e+32x 2.49562963×10^48= 3.83079148×10^80 jouls aka 3-B Multi Galaxy

Conclusion:

Meth AP is Varies, At least Large Planet level with Jaws of Darkness, likely far higher

Meth Durability is Multi Galaxy level, likely far higher

affected profiles

Methuselah

Willhelm Ehrenburg

Ren Fuji

Machina

Eleonore von Wittenburg

Wolfgang Schreiber

Agree: 6 (Maxnumb231 Dysmity Gun Slave Unit Warren Valion PsychoWarper Nepuko)

Disagree: 0
 
Meth nights scales to the amount of time loops creation went under Merc law which is indeed decillions (more really but its unknown much) not infinite universes that came from Mercurius rewriting throne system

Everything else is fine though. I'll leave the calc to any calc members.

Wilhelm Einherjar only scales to Meth's jaw which were composed of 100 nights as while he destroyed it, his hands also got pulverized by its durability meaning he doesn't go beyond whatever the baws of darkness tier would be.
 
i could agree on his durability being stacked from all the night he embodies throughout the ages. also made this blog a while back

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Gun_Slave_Unit/methuselah's_night

i brought something about methuselah's ap being large planet level from his jaws being composed out of a hundred nights (which is 50 times planet level) somewhere but i don't really agree with the ap stacking from his darkness prison as each individual night is separated. that'll make the pressure the prison was giving being derived from only a single layer of night i think
 
I agree with Dysmity.

I also have to mention that Nihili Est Qui Nihil Amat are 500,000 thousand layers of night that are SEPERATED from one another. The purpose of doing this was to cage in Machina as he would have to erase each layer of night before he could escape - the reason he did this was because Machina could erase Meth from existence according to Meth's own word.
 
The only one who'd scale to Meth full dura should be Rein and only Rein (naturally, those who scale to Rein such as Karl do scale too)
 
Meth lost his mystery by Reinhard's Golden Beam of Destruction. He just kept living for a bit after that but it was stated he was gonna die anyway, it was only a matter of time

There's a bit of a difference between Reinhard swinging his spear and releasing energy blasts to actually using LLT full power as the very manifestation of Mercurius desire to die. Former are normal attacks just like any Apostles regular ones.
 
to be fair Rein doesn't really fight with anything besides his spear so we could give him 3-A AP with normal spear attacks ovo
 
I'm confusion, was Psycho saying it sucks that 5-B Rein would become 3-A or did he think he wouldn't
 
I dont like anything physically above 4-A, 1-A can some times be interesting but yeah this part "it sucks that 5-B Rein would become 3-A"
 
as Dysmity explained Meth is made of decillions nights not infinite so as i calculated his AP would be 4-A not 3-A

as result Reinhard's Planet level key gets changed into the 4-A too (cuz one shotting Meth) and Willhelm + Three Battlion Commanders AP gets changed into the 5-A Scaling to Willhelm who was capable of shattering jaws of darkness

so i guess so far

Agree: 5 Maxnumb231 Dysmity Gun Slave Unit PsychoWarper Nepuko

Disagree: 0

New Explanation for Meth will be

Attack Potency: At least Large Planet level, likely far higher (He embodies the mystery of all nights from the time of Mercurius to 1944, including his time loops, with their numbers being in the decillions at least. A single night's mystery requires the destruction of half the planet, and Methuselah can create Jaws of darkness with a density of a hundred nights. Can trade blows with Wilhelm after he temporarily became an Einherjar, and who is capable of shattering his Jaws of Darkness), can bypass durability in a number of ways

Durability: At least Multi Solar System level, likely far higher (A single night's mystery is equivalent to the durability of half the planet, with Methuselah piling up nights from the time of Mercurius to 1944, including his time loops, with their numbers being in the decillions at least). Regenerationn, conceptual existence, non-corporealness, and requiring destruction on a conceptual level makes him extremely hard to kill, especially given how he has resistance to all of these things such as the likes of the LDO, and even being able to briefly survive a direct hit by Reinhard's Longinuslanze Testament along with Machina's Briah being the only other ability that can truly harm and destroy him)
 
Didn't Bey only manage to hit Methuselah because of the blood relation they had because Claudia sipped his blood and Methuselah had Claudia in him at the time?
 
Ricky365 said:
Didn't Bey only manage to hit Methuselah because of the blood relation they had because Claudia sipped his blood and Methuselah had Claudia in him at the time?
Read before that. During the middle of the fight, Wilhelm destroys one of Meth's constructs with a punch at the cost of his arm
 
I know but wasn't it noted that souls alone couldn't do it otherwise Schreiber could have done so? That the reason Bey can affect Methuselah is the blood pact?
 
Infera28 said:
First of all, I agreed with Dysmity - so I should be there as well.


Secondly, it's not decillions of nights - its decillions of time resets.

The nights are from the: (Creation of Darkness [Meth] to the night Meth died in 1945) x at least a decillion time loops (factually much more, but Meth stopped counting).

You need to recalc it, but I believe its somewhere in tier 3.


I also feel like Meth's AP description should be this:

"Attack Potency: Varies. At least Large Planet level with Jaws of Darkness, likely far higher (He embodies the mystery of all nights from the time of Mercurius to 1944, including his time loops, with their numbers being in the decillions at least. A single night's mystery requires the destruction of half the planet, and Methuselah can create Jaws of darkness with a density of a hundred nights. Can trade blows with Wilhelm after he temporarily became an Einherjar, and who is capable of shattering his Jaws of Darkness), can bypass durability in a number of ways"

As Meth's strength varies depending on hom many nights he puts into an attack - I feel this is the best way to represent Meth's power.

As for the durability, that should be all of Meth's darkness. Whatever that calcs to is what it is.
 
Just a question ive been meaning to ask. How comes the decillions of nights thing doesnt make meth decillions of times that of a half planet buster, making him multi galaxy level?
 
Ricky365 said:
I know but wasn't it noted that souls alone couldn't do it otherwise Schreiber could have done so? That the reason Bey can affect Methuselah is the blood pact?
Wilhelm's blood connection to Meth through Claudia is what allowed him to touch Meth, but Wilhelm's strength was what was allowed him to fight against Meth.

If he was strong enough to fight, then being able to touch Meth would be meaningless.
 
Ok so "Creation of Darkness [Meth] to the night Meth died in 1945" and "at least a decillion time loops, factually much more, but Meth stopped counting" seem like they would just add a "likely much higher" unless a concrete number was found.

"Durability: At least 4-A, likely 3-A, possibly much higher" this or something like this may work.
 
Read this post said:
Just a question ive been meaning to ask. How comes the decillions of nights thing doesnt make meth decillions of times that of a half planet buster, making him multi galaxy level?
He doesn't attack with the totality of his nights - that would be suicide, I think.

As he is getting rid of the entirety of himself.
 
Oh. Because I thought if he were made up of this many nights, he would scale to it physically.

Reinhard wouldnt scale for destroying the totality of methuselah would he?
 
PsychoWarper said:
Ok so "Creation of Darkness [Meth] to the night Meth died in 1945" doesnt really provide a decent concrete number as far as I can tell and "factually much more, but Meth stopped counting" this would just add a "likely much higher"
Creation of Darkness, or Time of Mercurius, is the reset of the universe - or Big Bang.

So the BIg Bang to 1945. We can just round it.


Anyway, got to go - bye.
 
Well according to what I found the Big Bang was supposedly about 13.8 billion years ago.

The stopped counting would simply be a "likely much higher" as I said.
 
Can someone enlighten me to source on Merc's reset being all the way to the Big Bang and not 30000-40000 year ago?
 
Ok so this is basically 13.8 billion x 1 decillion would be the amount of nights hes made of or... something else

So its like 1.38e+43 or 1,380,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 nights if this is right.
 
Meth was the byproduct of Merc taking over the Throne and creating the world under his law. Essentially he was born the moment Mercurius too the throne
 
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