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Spider-Man vs Izuku Midoriya 11-9-0

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the beginner hero, peter benjamin parker

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Spider-Man_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)

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the hero in training, izuku midorya

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Izuku_Midoriya#Full Cowl

who wuld win in a one on one fight to incapacitation?

(speed equalized, 20% midorya, iron spider spiderman.)

spiderman: 11 (Milly Rocking Bandit, Ionliosite, Naeblis495, GojiBoyForever, LSirLancelotDuLacl, I'm Blue daba dee daba die, ShakeResounding, XSOULOFCINDERX, Migue79, DeathNoodles, Stalker Maggot, )

deku: 9 (8r34kn3ck, Kappatalism, Kingofwolves999, Modernmyrmido, Sora and buff riku, Insert creative name here 12, Strawboi, GoCommitDi, ElixirBlue, )

tie/incon: 0 ()
 
Ionliosite said:
What can Deku against Spidey?
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i assume you mean what can Deku do to/against spidey? if so, he has air bullets, iron soles, black whip, and he can just kick and punch.
 
i agree his spidey-sense does make it more difficult but with speed equalized i dont believe it would be impossible. aswell as his spidey sense isnt flawless hes been caught off gaurd before, in homecoming, shocker, vulture and iron man suprised him, in infinity war thanos and quill suprised him and in endgames final fight he got hit and caught of gaurd a lot while carrying the gauntlet so it is by no means impossible to hit him.
 
Since you didnt specify the iron spider suit, which he does not normally go around in, Deku has the AP advantage and can AOE spam like he did against the Gentle Villian. With Equal speed, spiderman cannot dodge that large of a blast when he is close range. Precog won't help when they are close quarters and equal speed. Deku also has more fighting experience as he goes to school for being a hero and close quarters combat with specialists. Peter just has his senses which won't help in equal speed.
 
Kappatalism said:
Since you didnt specify the iron spider suit, which he does not normally go around in, Deku has the AP advantage and can AOE spam like he did against the Gentle Villian. With Equal speed, spiderman cannot dodge that large of a blast when he is close range. Precog won't help when they are close quarters and equal speed. Deku also has more fighting experience as he goes to school for being a hero and close quarters combat with specialists. Peter just has his senses which won't help in equal speed.
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try rereading the last line of the op.
 
So, does "Speed Equalized" imply that Deku doesn't get any speed boosts from Full Cowling?

By that I mean, would he be the same speed at 5% as without OFA?
 
Ionliosite your vote is counted, and 8r34kn3ck this is what the rules have to say about that:

  • During a match where speed is equalized, speed amplification techniques are allowed, unless they lead to a victory via Speed Blitz in favor of the slower character.
 
the way i see it is: with speed equalized base deku is on spidermans level (speed wise) but cant get much faster than that no matter what percent OFA hes using. that might be wrong but that is how i interpret it.
 
Peter's senses don't work any better in equal speed than they do normally iirc. Vs Vulture, Captain America, Starlord to an extent, and Mysterio's illusions, the Peter Tingle doesn't activate in a way that makes it overtly useful for direct combat outside of alerting him of sneak attacks, and even then it's not guaranteed. The best showing for it he's had was when he was actively focusing solely on it, which isn't in character for him considering the circumstances he was under. Also, the spider sense can be overwhelmed, especially by multiple attacks.

Deku has shockwaves with his WHOLE body in this key btw, not just his fingers, and since staying at 20% hurts him, he's going to end this fight as fast as possible. He also has an AP (I believe) and experience advantage over Peter, as he's fought and learned more from villains and heroes than Peter has. It would only take him a few moments to know Peter's movepool, and then devise a way to counter. Not to mention he's had experience with people that fight similarly to Spider Man, like Shinso and his classmate Sero. Peter would have to restrain Deku with webs before Deku gets near him to win this cleanly, which is going to be rough considering Deku isn't just going to stand still, and can disrupt the webs with shockwaves. He could honestly just grab the webs and pull Spider Man considering his physical LS is way higher.

Will wait for further input.
 
Bob899999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 said:
Kappatalism said:
Since you didnt specify the iron spider suit, which he does not normally go around in, Deku has the AP advantage and can AOE spam like he did against the Gentle Villian. With Equal speed, spiderman cannot dodge that large of a blast when he is close range. Precog won't help when they are close quarters and equal speed. Deku also has more fighting experience as he goes to school for being a hero and close quarters combat with specialists. Peter just has his senses which won't help in equal speed.
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try rereading the last line of the op.
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tie/incon:
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Peter's senses don't work any better in equal speed than they do normally iirc. Vs Vulture, Captain America, Starlord to an extent, and Mysterio's illusions, the Peter Tingle doesn't activate in a way that makes it overtly useful for direct combat outside of alerting him of sneak attacks, and even then it's not guaranteed. The best showing for it he's had was when he was actively focusing solely on it, which isn't in character for him considering the circumstances he was under. Also, the spider sense can be overwhelmed, especially by multiple attacks.
Deku has shockwaves with his WHOLE body in this key btw, not just his fingers, and since staying at 20% hurts him, he's going to end this fight as fast as possible. He also has an AP (I believe) and experience advantage over Peter, as he's fought and learned more from villains and heroes than Peter has. It would only take him a few moments to know Peter's movepool, and then devise a way to counter. Not to mention he's had experience with people that fight similarly to Spider Man, like Shinso and his classmate Sero. Peter would have to restrain Deku with webs before Deku gets near him to win this cleanly, which is going to be rough considering Deku isn't just going to stand still, and can disrupt the webs with shockwaves. He could honestly just grab the webs and pull Spider Man considering his physical LS is way higher.

Will wait for further input.
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We know that the webs do not have the same durability, and what is stopping the shockwaves from turning them back onto peter?
 
Kappatalism said:
Bob899999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 said:
Kappatalism said:
Since you didnt specify the iron spider suit, which he does not normally go around in, Deku has the AP advantage and can AOE spam like he did against the Gentle Villian. With Equal speed, spiderman cannot dodge that large of a blast when he is close range. Precog won't help when they are close quarters and equal speed. Deku also has more fighting experience as he goes to school for being a hero and close quarters combat with specialists. Peter just has his senses which won't help in equal speed.
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try rereading the last line of the op.
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tie/incon:
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vote counted.
 
Hey Kappa, haven't seen you since Seth's 1st server imploded.

Also, Deku turning Peter's webs against him is a great point. Tying Spider-Man up in webs above his LS is an easy way to incapacitate him, and doing so wouldn't be a difficult strategy for Deku to figure out. Honestly, if Deku works fast enough, he should have this fight in the bag.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Hey Kappa, haven't seen you since Seth's 1st server imploded.
Also, Deku turning Peter's webs against him is a great point. Tying Spider-Man up in webs above his LS is an easy way to incapacitate him, and doing so wouldn't be a difficult strategy for Deku to figure out. Honestly, if Deku works fast enough, he should have this fight in the bag.
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deku has feats of deducing things quickly, like figuring out Mirio's quirk by seeing it one time. Idk why deku has aboe avg intellect and parker has genius. deku has better problem solving feats.
 
How does Deku counter Instant Kill mode and Peter Tingle? Shockwaves are cool and all, but the opponent can literally predict your every move, so he'll be long gone before you even connect the hit, not to mention the insane amounts of attack speeds Deku will have to counter with the instant kill. Also, Peter has more than 5 years on the job as well by Far From Home, so he isn't like, absolutely moronic when it comes to fighting, hence I find it super hard to believe that Deku can pull off anything before Pete overwhelms him.

Anyhow, isn't Deku's high 8-C impractical in combat?
 
This battle is for incapacitation only, and Peter doesn't use instakill in character. Speed is equalized so the attack speed of the extra arms is irrelevant, and Deku has dodged things similar to them before, like Overhaul's spikes and all those balls during the provisional license exam.

The Peter Tingle was already addressed in previous posts.

Peter doesn't have 5 years of experience, he was snapped out of existence for that entire time. He only has the experience he's shown on screen and a bit before Iron Man found him.

Deku at 20% is imparactical in that it strains his body, hence why he's going to rush through this fight and attempt to incapacitate Peter as fast as he can. It is very much battle capable.
 
The AP difference and the fact that spiderman does not react well to taking lots of damage, IE, thanos hitting him puts him down for a while. Durability-wise his suits won't protect him from the shock waves generated at each punch at 20%. He will get rattled from the inside out, since the shockwaves are larger than what he can dodge, being equal speed. Deku has been studying heros and their fighting styles for 10 years, indicated him being an all might finatic and hero finatic as a young child. There are people with similar fighting styles and similar quirks in the My Hero verse. Deku has the AP, Stamina, Durability, and experience advantage. Also, deku can fight while incapacitated. With his arms shattered, he can use OFA still and attack with his shoot style. During the training arc, chapter 70-90ish, he fought muscular with broken limbs.
 
Also, in the MCU, peter's tingle isn't "precog" in so far as it lets him know when he isn't looking in the right direction.
 
Kappatalism said:
Bob899999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 said:
Kappatalism said:
Since you didnt specify the iron spider suit, which he does not normally go around in, Deku has the AP advantage and can AOE spam like he did against the Gentle Villian. With Equal speed, spiderman cannot dodge that large of a blast when he is close range. Precog won't help when they are close quarters and equal speed. Deku also has more fighting experience as he goes to school for being a hero and close quarters combat with specialists. Peter just has his senses which won't help in equal speed.
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try rereading the last line of the op.
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tie/incon:
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i took that as a tie/incon vote. but i will change it.
 
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