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Why Was BB Upgraded to 2-A

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Because seriously. I am 99.9% sure that the whole thing about the Moon Cell containing "infinite possibilites" does not refer to real, physical universes but rather merely simulated / calculated possibilities. It does not contain a real tangible multiverse rather it just contains everything that can be predicted / possibily happened.

I imagine that this passed simply because of a thread getting through Staff that are unfamiliar with the verse and people being quick to their guns and just wanting to get everyone upgraded before moving on to the next thread.

They should be downgraded back to Low 2-C which was actually accurate. K, thx.
 
Actually there wasn't a lot of staff involved iirc mainly due to all of those who are knowledgeable either dont want anything to do with the series or have left the wiki. Anyway I agree with your first argument.
 
Nah bro it's just the same thing as every other hot topic verses. Fans create an impenetrable echo chamber and are able to do whatever they want inside it as nobody in this wiki gives half a **** about anything beyond their own interests and everyone just runs the madhouse wild throwing upgrades and vomiting over good faith and common sense.
 
F that. Warnings are really just ways to get people into complying and not criticizing the festering cancar that is the BS that happens on this website. The more this wiki is twisted into a safe space where everyone gets to be happy and nobody's desires and thoughts get to be rejected the shittier it gets.
 
Monarch Laciel was part of that thread and agreed with 2-A

Several people commonly known to be quite knowledgible on Fate were also there and most of them agreed with 2-A as well
 
Who cares. You don't make big updates like that without informing staff and without getting diverging opinions, specially for a topic as controversial in a thread hailed by someone who's infamously biased towards their waifu.

Not that it matters cause even Staff Members nowadays wear their biases as badges of honor and have no shame whatsoever admitting that they partake in the endless arms race of upgrades to see whoever can make the most annoying long and painful to read profile with three pages worth of redundant abilities.
 
Dvorak1902 said:
It's okay if you want a downgrade but please don't gratuitously turn this into a shitfest.
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You mean like the rest of the website?

Harsh truths deserve to be said. People need to get their feelings hurt to realize the bs that has happened.
 
You're argument is 100% ad hominem and not worth considering, so i will not.

You are no better Matt, maybe practice what you preach someday.
 
The whole "just simulations" argument was addressed multiple times and disproven there are no valid reasons for this downgrade that haven't already been talked about multiple times in the past.
 
I don't pretend I'm better. I just call spades spades, and if that offends you maybe you should put on your big boy pants and grow up.

I explained myself in the opening post. Think I care if you find my tone pleasing to your ears or not? I'm not your mother.
 
Paul Frank said:
The whole "just simulations" argument was addressed multiple times and disproven there are no valid reasons for this downgrade that haven't already been talked about multiple times in the past.
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Let me guess? Endless six paragraph+ posts sent by the very same people with unlimited stamina for self-love that 99% of the thread surely didn't read in full and just wrote "Agree" because they seemed smart?
 
You very much do, as shown by your posts here. Also, considering how you instantly devolved into insults rather than actual debate, i'd say that you have some rather thin skin yourself.

Ant certainly does, not like you care regardless.
 
>Because seriously. I am 99.9% sure that the whole thing about the Moon Cell containing "infinite possibilites" does not refer to real, physical universes

See this would be correct except the series makes it 100% clear that possibility = universe multiple times. Hell in Extella there are shown to be multiple parallel worlds by the fact that Archimedes can travel between them and the fact that Saver's np was going to prune all parallel worlds
 
"The Earth has not only one future, but many futures . This is important because of the usage of the word "Future." Its being used along side the usage of the term "Parrallel world's"

All these variant futures make up a vast array of worlds.

Another term for all these Parrallel worlds is "Possibilities

We also learn that the Mooncell can observe every possible outcome, and destiny . It also stores an infinity of futures, and simulates them within itself."

Quoting someone from the thread. This is primary reason.
 
This post answered nothing. Unless you are making baseless word-association and ignoring the furthering context of the Moon Cell. A word can mean multiple things in the same series, you know.
 
TheUpgradeManHaHaxD said:
"The Earth has not only one future, but many futures . This is important because of the usage of the word "Future." Its being used along side the usage of the term "Parrallel world's"
All these variant futures make up a vast array of worlds.

Another term for all these Parrallel worlds is "Possibilities

We also learn that the Mooncell can observe every possible outcome, and destiny . It also stores an infinity of futures, and simulates them within itself."

Quoting someone from the thread. This is primary reason.
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All of this is addressed by what the Moon Cell actually is. It observes and simulates / calculates possible futures. It does not make real physical space-times. It's so simple.
 
There are multiple parallel worlds shown in the mooncell within Extra and Extella which proves that it is a multiverse in there comprised of the possibilities

Archimedes literally travels through universes within the mooncell

Saver was going to end the other universes within the mooncell
 
Paul Frank said:
There are multiple parallel worlds shown in the mooncell within Extra and Extella which proves that it is a multiverse in there comprised of the possibilities
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They sure aren't they just explain they simulate possibilities, not real universes.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
F that. Warnings are really just ways to get people into complying and not criticizing the festering cancar that is the BS that happens on this website. The more this wiki is twisted into a safe space where everyone gets to be happy and nobody's desires and thoughts get to be rejected the shittier it gets.
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Spicy hot take.

I agree with Matthew, people wanking theory/possibilities into 2-A AP is nonesense
 
Udlmaster said:
Matthew Schroeder said:
F that. Warnings are really just ways to get people into complying and not criticizing the festering cancar that is the BS that happens on this website. The more this wiki is twisted into a safe space where everyone gets to be happy and nobody's desires and thoughts get to be rejected the shittier it gets.
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Spicy hot take.
I agree with Matthew, people wanking theory/possibilities into 2-A AP is nonesense
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please refer to this comment [1]
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Paul Frank said:
There are multiple parallel worlds shown in the mooncell within Extra and Extella which proves that it is a multiverse in there comprised of the possibilities
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They sure aren't they just explain they simulate possibilities, not real universes.
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Remember when Computers of today are Solar system level because they can simulate a Solar system with Universe Sandbox2
 
TheUpgradeManHaHaxD said:
Another thing that was used in the thread was the 1st five minutes of Fate/Extella Altera Route
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv0XRZvN4Pk&t=311s
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This just confirms that the Moon Cell is infinite in size which is High 3-A, which I"m fine with.

Also one of the first things said is that he is in a place "Where even the light of the Moon Cell doesn't reach". But I thought it reached infinite universes, huh?
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
This just confirms that the Moon Cell is infinite in size which is High 3-A, which I"m fine with.
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I would love to agree with that so the verse isn't fodder in the 2-A bracket... but the 1st 5 minutes of that video is stating the Mooncell actually stores a multiverse inside of it, and Archimedes refers to them as "Spiritron Worlds" a terminology only used in the Fate/Extra Timeline.
 
So the plot of Extella revolves around someone going around the parallel worlds, Saver was going to end the parallel worlds, the arguement about things just being simulations has been debunked multiple times, and we have numerous statements that say possibilities are worlds

What exaxtly is the evidence you are using to disprove this?
 
Then link the exact points in the video. You just gave me a 2 hour video and told me to watch the first five minutes.
 
... Whelp. While I'm neutral about the downgrade. But seriously Matthew this can be discussed without turning harsh ... Comments like "seemed smart" easily can be interpreted as drilling into the person debating rather than the topic itself . Seeing something not going your way gives you no excuse to act like those who had that type of opinion are stupid.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Then link the exact points in the video. You just gave me a 2 hour video and told me to watch the first five minutes.
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Give me a few minutes on that lol. I'll organize things a bit.
 
A computer storing a Multiverse within it, literally doesn't mean anything, Modern Computers can simulate Solar systems and Galaxies, this doesn't make them Galaxy Level/Solar system level.

No Man's Sky is infinitely generating yet Computers aren't High 3-A.

You get the idea, a computer of infinite size simulating an infinite multiverse doesn't make it 2-A.

I still agree with Matthew
 
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