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I Commit Arson (Ikki Kurogane vs DC Cain)
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Inb4 Earl argues Ikki uses Phantom mode for intetsu and attacks his stamina instead of Cain.
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Ugh, this gonna be good.
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That's the argument exactly.Blackcurrant91 said:
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I precoged Earls argument. My precog dabs on Ikki's.
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Anyway full argument:
Ikki will start with Phantom Form Intetsu (or Illusion Form whatever you wanna call it), because he would usually avoid hurting people unless he has previous knowledge or is forced to do so by rules, none of which cases apply here. So ikki will do his stuff and go for the Intetsu attack striking Cain's stamina and physical strength making him unable to stay conscious (tired), causing a win by incap for Ikki.
Cain also has a win condition as any attack that's not in phantom form will either deal a LOT of dmg to ikki putting him unconscious or outright kill him. So that means kicks, shoulder attacks, etc are all possible win conditions for Ikki, however Ikki's mainly a swordsman so he wouldn't resort to kicking unless it's a really specific scenario where he can't use his sword.
So i vote Ikki.
Ikki will start with Phantom Form Intetsu (or Illusion Form whatever you wanna call it), because he would usually avoid hurting people unless he has previous knowledge or is forced to do so by rules, none of which cases apply here. So ikki will do his stuff and go for the Intetsu attack striking Cain's stamina and physical strength making him unable to stay conscious (tired), causing a win by incap for Ikki.
Cain also has a win condition as any attack that's not in phantom form will either deal a LOT of dmg to ikki putting him unconscious or outright kill him. So that means kicks, shoulder attacks, etc are all possible win conditions for Ikki, however Ikki's mainly a swordsman so he wouldn't resort to kicking unless it's a really specific scenario where he can't use his sword.
So i vote Ikki.
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Ikki does tend to go for incap in character if he has no prior knowlwedge. Incap is obviously the only way to deal with Cain
Ikki FRA.
Ikki FRA.
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Ikki wins for Fire's reasons.
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3-0-0 for Ikki.
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Ikki FRA.
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4-0-0 for Ikki.
Starter making use of his voting thread
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Can Ikki even hit Cain? Hes a living Dream iirc.
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He doesn't seem to posses any intangibility or non corporeality from it so I guess so? Also he's technically not hitting Cains body which is why this works.
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But hes a resident of the dream world and a necessary part of the Dream world... ugh.
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Yeah but hes just getting knocked out for an hour. Then he gets up and continues on his business but Ikki gets a win on his profile xD
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I mean... if I where to create a revision about Cain being a living dream and it where accepted that would make this fight invalid but for now I guess ita valid although Cain does have Nigh-Limitless Stamina.
I wonder what 7 disasters will befall Ikki though?
I wonder what 7 disasters will befall Ikki though?
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It doesn't work like that either. It's really weird. It still works via his durability rather then how much actual stamina he has. At least thats what I can gather.
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Although it is interesting that since Cain has Dream Manipulation and can Travel between the Real World and the Dreaming I wonder if he could just wake himself up.
EDIT So within DC Dreams become corporal once they leave the Dreaming so thats legit
EDIT So within DC Dreams become corporal once they leave the Dreaming so thats legit
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Cain can't wake up he lacks enough strength to stay conscious.
But yeah it's true it doesn't work exactly by removing your stamina it seems to work by making your stamina able to reach certain parts of your body that's why it only works on fatal hits. Normal hits just invalidate thay part of the body.
But yeah it's true it doesn't work exactly by removing your stamina it seems to work by making your stamina able to reach certain parts of your body that's why it only works on fatal hits. Normal hits just invalidate thay part of the body.
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I mean if he forcible wakes himself up even if he where to fall asleep that wouldnt count as a full knock out since he could continue to do so.
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1. That is wrong. If Cain goes unconscious as soon as he wakes up, it's still incap. The win condition is not sleep, it's a state where Cain cannot harm Ikki, in a state where he keeps on passively going to sleep Cain cannot hurt Ikki. It's incap.
2. He can't wake up if he lacks the energy to do so. It's like saying if the battery is at 0, you can still turn on the car.
2. He can't wake up if he lacks the energy to do so. It's like saying if the battery is at 0, you can still turn on the car.
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I mean he could technically commit self BFR to the dream world then come back but I dont know if he would come back.
Also Cains win-con doesnt seem like an actual win-con since it takes something Ikki wont do in-character unless he needs to for it to happen.
Also Cains win-con doesnt seem like an actual win-con since it takes something Ikki wont do in-character unless he needs to for it to happen.
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It is a very decent win condition. That is Cain's very character. A dude who lacks offensive abilities except for his attack reflection, which is indeed a win condition here.
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Yeah but if the character hes fighting starts with Incap and wont use normal damaging attacks then that kinda means he doesnt have a true win-con.
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Except disarming Ikki.
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I mean doesnt Ikki have a really good speed boost? If he does that makes disarming very hard.
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Ikki FRA
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5 for ikki.
He does have that yes.
He does have that yes.
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Then Cain doesnt have an actual Win-con if Ikki goes incap for his in-character first move making this a stomp.
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Cain wins in almost every other scenario. As im everything other than phantom form is a passive win for cain.
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Ok but if Ikki goes for Phantom Form for his in character first move that doesnt mean anything.
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Yes but it's not unfair if the only reason ikki wins is cus he opens with the exact 1/1000 moves. Stomps are to avoid matches between characters that are not in the same league.
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I mean Cain has no counter to it at all and its Ikkis in character first move so he wont use one of the moves that Cain can reflect, but if the others dont think its a stomp then I guess it is legit.
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I dont think thats how it works. By that logic, a lot of Star Wars matches wouldn't have been removed in the first place...Firephoenixearl said:
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Meh I'll let you guys decide.
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In this battle, speed is irrelevant, so why is it equalised?
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Why not?
