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The Gentle Pull vs Axolotl

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TheArsenal1212 said:
AXOLOTL Plot Manips and TGP becomes effectively useless
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Not to poke around a lot, but could you perhaps elaborate more on that? I don't think that should even count as a vote, no offense. You only listed an ability and claim that it should do the trick against the supreme being of the Mario verse. I do apologize for my lack of knowledge, but does the AXOLOTL even uses his hax offensively? Let alone start off with some sort of abilities (which, for the sake of simplicity, let's say Plot manip for example). And also where did Plot manip come from exactly? TGP lacks a physical form and I do believe it does begin with Fate/Causality Manipulation due to being the supreme being that exceeds even Rosalina's powers.
 
Sure. That's fair

It comes from AXOLOTL basically being aware of the plot of GF and being able to affect the Choose your Adventure spin off plot. Plus it's also implied he could change the GF plot also. With SBA, we can safely assume he can do the same to TGP because it's honestly AXOLOTL's main shtick also
 
TheQuirkyBoy said:
TheArsenal1212 said:
AXOLOTL Plot Manips and TGP becomes effectively useless
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Not to poke around a lot, but could you perhaps elaborate more on that? I don't think that should even count as a vote, no offense. You only listed an ability and claim that it should do the trick against the supreme being of the Mario verse. I do apologize for my lack of knowledge, but does the AXOLOTL even uses his hax offensively? Let alone start off with some sort of abilities (which, for the sake of simplicity, let's say Plot manip for example). And also where did Plot manip come from exactly? TGP lacks a physical form and I do believe it does begin with Fate/Causality Manipulation due to being the supreme being that exceeds even Rosalina's powers.
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'B l o o d l u s t e d'. Also, Axolotl is possessing Nigh-Omniscence; so the 'Big Frilly Know-It-All' would take that by outrightly countering TGP's incoming attacks with either Void Manipulation or Plot Manipulation as how the others said.
 
Oh shoot, I didn't pay attention to that my bad.

Regardless, I only asked for an elaboration since I don't think "[Insert character] via [Insert hax ability]" is a good way to start a debate.

Also, Nigh-Omniscient doesn't have any "good" justifications to it, but I'm gonna keep my mouth shut on that one. Nigh Omniscience isn't even useful here since it only applies to their own verse and such, AXOLOTL doesn't have any knowledge on the Mario verse etc.
 
TheQuirkyBoy said:
Oh shoot, I didn't pay attention to that my bad.
Regardless, I only asked for an elaboration since I don't think "[Insert character] via [Insert hax ability]" is a good way to start a debate.

Also, Nigh-Omniscient doesn't have any "good" justifications to it, but I'm gonna keep my mouth shut on that one. Nigh Omniscience isn't even useful here since it only applies to their own verse and such, AXOLOTL doesn't have any knowledge on the Mario verse etc.
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Then, nevermind my statement regarding to his Nigh-Omniscience, even though he may use Void or Plot Manipulation.


And yes, I was voting for him, sorry for not clarifying it out.
 
If the main argument is Axolotl plot manipping The Gentle Pull due to being bloodlusted, what's stopping The Gentle Pull from doing the same with one of its haxes? It's also bloodlusted, after all.
 
Plot manip is and should be faster however. Unless it's essentially thought based, AXOLOTL Plot Manips first.
 
Well, AXOLOTL is essentially either thought based or near instantaneous given his nature in the comic. So this is tricky
 
Effortless really doesn't imply fast or thought based

Waving your hand is effortless. Or any action can be effortless
 
Schnee One said:
Effortless really doesn't imply fast or thought based

Waving your hand is effortless. Or any action can be effortless
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Perhaps I worded it wrong. We never see AXOLOTL move.
 
Or use plot Manip or anything

So we have no idea how fast it is

It also barely appears to begin with, so we don't even know if it can't actually move.
 
NothingToDebateWith said:
"Speed =", plus due to Plot Manipulation being a mightier hax.
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Speed equal just means that their speed statistics are, for the most part, assumed to be the same. Activation time for abilities is still relatively the same. An ability performed by a thought will be faster than an ability performed by a finger snap, and so on.

Conceptual Manipulation is a mighty hax, yet if it doesn't activate fast enough the conceptual manipulation user will still lose.
 
Guys for god sakes Gravity Falls doesn't have Combat applicable conceptual manipulation.
 
Schnee One said:
Guys for god sakes Gravity Falls doesn't have Combat applicable conceptual manipulation.
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It was just an example that being a 'stronger' hax =/= being a faster hax.
 
Performing said action without actually moving is essentially thought based. We haven't seen him move to commit said plot hax
 
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