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Composite Human vs Fifteen

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>Perception Manip, extremely good precog, ressurection

>Not even prep time for CH

This is some mad level of disrespect.
 
I mean, they have prior knowledge and basically anything they can carry.

This is composite human we're talking about. The one character who's strategies are so good we literally can't describe them.
 
Okay.

And?

You could be the most skillful person in the world, but when the person can predict with pin-point accuracy exactly how you plan on hitting them, and know exactly how they need to win, along with having the ability to amplify reactions so he can get to that point, alongside needing to be incapacitated, not killed, you're going to lose.
 
I'm driving my family around, but I'll be back in a few hoursu to give input.
 
Is CH in Katana ZERO's universe for their prep time, because otherwise I don't really think this can work
 
Wokistan said:
Is CH in Katana ZERO's universe for their prep time, because otherwise I don't really think this can work
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What do you mean by this? How would that work?

(I believe it's an option to set a fight in a certain location.)
 
I don't know if you can do that but I can't think of any real life measures that beat out being able to reset timr whenever.
 
I don't think there are any drugs that act fast enough to beat out rewinding as you're passing out though, besides the ones that just outright kill. Those trigger the reset anyways. Also precog.
 
I'm fairly sure time is only rewound upon death.

Precog is why it's basically manditory to have prep time.
 
No, you can rewind time whenever and death just forces it. Headhunter used it to kill her employer a bunch, Zero uses it both whenever player wants and to cheat at gambling, and 15's the strongest known NULL. He's also player controlled at one point and you can reset on a whim there.
 
Oh.

Thought-based time rewind.

Hmm.
 
Composite Human has access to incapacitating agents due to their prep. I suggest the location of the fight is changed to an enclosed space so that CH has a chance to win
 
I vote for Fifteen.

Composite Human can win with incapacitating agents, but the agents that work fast and effective enough to take out Fifteen before he rewinds time, have a chance of fatality, so even if CH fulfils his win conditions there is a chance Fifteen dies and time rewinds anyways, and Fifteen definitely isn't gonna let it happen a second time. Composite Human can definitely get Fifteen with a strong enough incapacitating agent, but he would need to specifically make the "futures" where the gas is in effect and the gas is not in effect up until Fifteen is actually incapacitated indistinguishable. This can certainly be done, but it is definitely challenging, although CH is a sublimation of all the most skilled humans in history, so they should be able to.

So, to summarize. If CH does fulfil their win conditions then it is still a roll of a dice if they actually incapacitate Fifteen and Don't kill him. Where as Fifteen just needs to teleport in and/or Iaijutsu rush to decapitate CH, and take their win conditions. For these reasons, I vote Fifteen
 
CH can't forking win at all against thought-based rewind time.

Stomp. There is literally nothing humanly possible besides a bat to the back of the head that can knock someone out before they can think about it.

And then he has precog, so a sneak attack ain't working.

There's nothing that can be done. Stomp, clean and simple.
 
ThePixelKirby said:
CH can't forking win at all against thought-based rewind time.
Stomp. There is literally nothing humanly possible besides a bat to the back of the head that can knock someone out before they can think about it.

And then he has precog, so a sneak attack ain't working.

There's nothing that can be done. Stomp, clean and simple.
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Its not a stomp due to incapacitating agents. Sneak attack also does work due to thousands of possible futures
 
Incapacitate doesn't work if the opponent can think and does away with it.

Sneak attack doesn't work against extremely precise and powerful precognition.

If he uses poisons or incap agents, Fifteen thinks and rewinds to before it was set up and murders CH.

If he attempts to sneak attack, Fifteen things and rewinds and murders CH.
 
Incapacitating agents are almost instant once you breath them in iirc.

If he can make them indistinguishable from times when they won't, then it will. Sneak attacks have worked on Gamma Nulls before, you just need to make sure it doesn't kill them

That violates the rules of prep time, and rewind cannot be used for that kind of tile travel

Only if he fails of course
 
No, not really. Even if you bring them in, the fastest agents may take a bit of time.

I really don't see that working.

Even if not, he can simply continue rewinding and attempting to find a way out, worst case scenario.
 
Maybe, but again, that is just a probability aspect, not a stomp

Cool, but that doesnt nake it a stomp

Not if he gets knocked out tho.
 
I'm fairly sure relying on the opponent to be an idiot and not use their abilities for a sliver at a chance of victory is the perfect grounds for a stomp.
 
I'm not sure in what way you are saying they must be an idiot, but if an enemy acting in character Grants someone a win condition then it's completely valid and not a stomp
 
I mean I guess with knowledge CH could try and not fight him as long as possible to let the Chronos drain naturally, but given that he's all dosed up as per SBA this does seem rather stompish
 
Let me be honest, any time one has to say "It's very decisive", it's probably a stomp/not notable enough to be added.
 
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Let me be honest, any time one has to say "It's very decisive", it's probably a stomp/not notable enough to be added.
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That is completely incorrect. A stomp is when one side has no possible win conditions
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
ThePixelKirby said:
Let me be honest, any time one has to say "It's very decisive", it's probably a stomp/not notable enough to be added.
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That is completely incorrect. A stomp is when one side has no possible win conditions
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...And relying on the opponent to be absurdly OOC is certainly not a win condition.

There is a reason you can't put The God-Emperor of Mankind against a bunch of random Tier 9s simply because they have the potential win condition of The God-Emperor simply conceeding.
 
That is completely incorrect. A stomp is when one side has no possible win conditions
...And relying on the opponent to be absurdly OOC is certainly not a win condition.

There is a reason you can't put The God-Emperor of Mankind against a bunch of random Tier 9s simply because they have the potential win condition of The God-Emperor simply conceeding.

This thread is closed as a stomp because the only win conditions involves OOC behaviours.

If that thread is considered a stomp because it involves a character only having a chance to win via out-of-character behaviours, then it should be a stomp for this thread as well as there's no way one of the characters can win in-character.
 
I believe nobody except you has voted for Fifteen, and everyone else has noted it being a stomp.
 
Wokistan said it was "stomp-ish" not a stomp. You have clearly conveyed that you think that Fifteen wins. Your points for it being a stomp are invalid, since both sides have win conditions, but your points for Fifteen winning are not
 
You can't make me vote for Fifteen when I'm clearly saying it's a stomp, with two other people supporting my argument.

I've heard of a lot of things, but forcing me to vote differently is a new one.
 
@Iap

To be 100% sure, Fifteen ca rewind whenever he wants, not just when he dies, right?

Since the profile very heavily implies it's only upon death.
 
I wasn't forcing you to vote. I wasn't sure, hence the "or." Do you concede that, if this isn't a stomp, Fifteen wins?

He can, but unlike many other Nulls, he has not displayed that he will does not usually do so on a whim in character (beyond what the player does, obviously).

I'm afraid that is a misinterpretation on your part but I can specify that he can if you want
 
On the profile, it quite clearly states 'upon death'.

If he can do it, but doesn't do it in-character, that's still pretty important.
 
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