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Edgy girl with horns vs Edgy guy with hoodie

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well well well this ageing

mercers regen already gives him a high adventage over lucy

and he can realse the virus for an easy win(cuse no way her biologic manipulation that is cell based can deal with molecular level deases)

my vote gose to mercer due to virus creator and mid high regen
 
Alex fra. Lucy in character isn't going full I have to kill this thing mode. Her habit of dragging out her opponents death screws her hard here.

Edit though now we can all imagine what the evolutionary power of blacklight will do with vectors....
 
The pen or the sword said:
Alex fra. Lucy in character isn't going full I have to kill this thing mode. Her habit of dragging out her opponents death screws her hard here.
Edit though now we can all imagine what the evolutionary power of blacklight will do with vectors....
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planet sized claws

or blades
 
Ehh if she were less sadistic and more willing to go for the kill this'd be a different matter but her in character behavior brings this from mid high diff in mercers favor, to a low mid. Odds are she impales him on her vectors, pulls him close and is imediatly consumed/infected. She has no way to deal with mercers abosrbiton and infection.
 
Unless Lucy's vectors can get detected with Infrared vision capabilities, I don't think he would be able to see it.

It doesn't matter though, because it's within Mercer's character to gas and infect everything in this key (and I don't think Lucy has shown to use her vectors to block gasses or air attacks).
 
yes if she immediatly goes for her higher form and nukes the area, but as stated above out of character. He favorite move is to use her vectors to bring her victims closer to her so she can see the agony on their faces, when she does that to mercer she gets infected or absorbed.

If she doesn't bring him close shes still well within the reach of his gasous infection particles so even if she was smart enough to avoid getting closer to mercer (which without priorer knowledge shes not) She still gets screwed when mercer gets sick of being thrown around like a lawn dart and infects the city there in.
 
To be clear she can win, she has all the tools nesccary to destroy mercer but her in character behavior, lack of prior knowldge and unwillingness to go full horn mode outside of a last resort gives alex the victory more often than not.
 
The pen or the sword said:
To be clear she can win, she has all the tools nesccary to destroy mercer but her in character behavior, lack of prior knowldge and unwillingness to go full horn mode outside of a last resort gives alex the victory more often than not.
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im actually not sure about that

how much higher do you need to be on an ap scale to atomize a charater?
 
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Apparently, there is no exact AP value to vaporize/atomize a character with superhuman durability (in contrast to an ordinary human's durability, which involves calculations all about mass or the number of atoms in a target's body), so it's unquantifiable. To be able to apply the logic of vaporizing/atomizing through sheer AP, a character needs to show a feat of vaporizing/atomizing a target with similar or superior durability with AP. In this case, Lucy needs to have a feat of atomizing something with 7-C or above durability to be able to do the same to Mercer, or else it would be unquantifiable.
 
True but couldn't lucy where down mercer from range? Especially in full horn mode? Heck she could throw him into space with one of her tendrils in that mode and win via bfr.

Saying that this is mostly acedemic as in most scenarios shes dead before she can use her full abilitties.

edit just trying to find a win con for lucy.
 
Mercer has limitless stamina and no longer has biomass-dependent Regenerationn in his profile, she can't "wear him down".

I guess she could throw him to space (assuming her Lifting Strength is enough to prevent her vectors from being broken free by Mercer), but I don't think she has done that in the canon, so it should be out-of-character for her in this fight. It should be a win condition if that's the case, even if it's normally OOC for the character (an OOC win con is still a win con after all).
 
Sorry glad mercer doesn't have that gamey mechanic anymore! Yeah its ooc but her vectors should be strong enough to throw mercer into space. Saying that its sounding to me like even if we started her at 6 c mercer takes it more often than not...

Edit they both have class k lifting strength, so it would probably be a struggle.
 
Better her in the 7-C to 6-C key than in any other key.

She literally wouldn't stand a chance if it isn't her EoS key (her EoS key has better range, likely higher lifting strength than before and her being a little more violent, even if her AP advantage isn't much in this fight).
 
Surround Mercer with invisible vectors while keeping herself at a distance and then nuke at all directions? Death Battle style?

(Even if Mercer can try to gas Lucy it still takes time for the air to flow. And it may even improve Lucy like Mercer did on Heller.)

Absorption and infection requires touch and gas infection is slow over a distance afaik.


Does Mercer's enhanced senses help him see vectors though? Can he escape from the nukes with a complete body (hurt or not)? Mercer's Regenerationn requires biomass and nuking him from all directions point blank should burn away all biomass Mercer can hope to regenerate from.
 
except air infection in prototype is incredibly quick after she breathes it in she drops dead. The second release of the gas killed all the occupants of penn station within four seconds. Blackight contact takes millieseconds to absorb. Mercer intentionally made heller an evolved as the head of the blacklight infection and the personification of the virus he can control the mutations.

Biomass is no longer part of his regen calc as it was deemed a game mechanic.

Even assuming that would work its incredibly out of character for lucy to do anything like that. As I mentioned above her character is a ****** who drags out suffering she's not liable to begin using her more powerful moves until she realizes mercer is a threat at which point shes already been infected and dropped dead,
 
Jasonsith said:
Surround Mercer with invisible vectors while keeping herself at a distance and then nuke at all directions? Death Battle style?
(Even if Mercer can try to gas Lucy it still takes time for the air to flow. And it may even improve Lucy like Mercer did on Heller.)

Absorption and infection requires touch and gas infection is slow over a distance afaik.


Does Mercer's enhanced senses help him see vectors though? Can he escape from the nukes with a complete body (hurt or not)? Mercer's Regenerationn requires biomass and nuking him from all directions point blank should burn away all biomass Mercer can hope to regenerate from.
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mate we have been over this mercer dosen't require bio mass to heal

seen here and here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7MR2r0ax2E 11:20
 
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Mercer's Regenerationn requires biomass and nuking him from all directions point blank should burn away all biomass Mercer can hope to regenerate from.
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The Supreme Hunter, a being synthesised from Mercer's very own DNA, was able to regenerate from a puddle of its own biomass (thus, not needing to consume to regenerate) within seconds. The Supreme Hunter hasn't consumed anyone when he was reduced to a puddle after his first fight with Mercer, last I've checked.

As the Supreme Hunter is a being created from Mercer's DNA, Mercer not only scales to that Regenerationn (thus, not needing biomass to regenerate as biomass is only used to increase his Regenerationn speed and not actually sustain his Regenerationn capabilities), but he has to regenerate under far worse circumstances than the Supreme Hunter does (which is being vaporized). Mercer doesn't actually need biomass to regenerate. Period.
 
Ill also throw out that her nuke attack is lacking in two things that would make it dangerous to mercer, heat and radiation. Her attack had the explosive impact of a nuke but lacks the two things that made the nuke dangerous to mercer in the first place.

Thus she at best gets mercer bits everywhere...The last thing you want to do with a sentient highly infectious and deadly virus is to spread it around.
 
No but if she repeatdly hit him with the heat of a nuke she could thoretically use her vectors to hold his mass in place and repeatdly vaporize him until there was nothing left (saying that mercers adaption could render even this theortical method invalid). But as it is she cant do that, she lacks the stats/abilitities to deal with mercers regen.

Edit Literally her only win con is throwing mercer into space.
 
I guess. But Mercer's ability to regenerate from vaporisation makes it difficult enough already (without even including the fact that atomisation or above is one of the only ways to permanently overcome his regen) due to his Regenerationn proven to not be dependent on biomass.

So yeah, her only win con is throwing him into space, which should be OOC for her.
 
If a nuke hitting Mercer in one direction could reduce Mercer into chunks I believe multiple nukes at multiple directions should do the job.

Regenerationn does not increase one's durability advantage much if the attack method can effectively destroy all molecules of Mercer. (Just the Blacklight Virus that contain Mercer to be exact. I personally question the ground for mid-high Regenerationn but seems to need a CRT to do so.)

If this is the case that Mercer's durability increases to this level by wank or hyperbole or "legit upgrade by interpretation"...

1) Mercer stomps close thread thanks

2) Well Cole MacGrath vs Alex Mercer says hi sooner than not.

Oh yeah throwing Mercer into space will not work as Mercer can fly back into Earth (even before he were thrown into space) and has similar lifting strength so throwing into space does not work.
 
Lets assume her nuke attack will kill mercer the fact still remains he gets off his infection/consumption hax long before she goes for this attack. Again she has a wind con throwing mercer into space.
 
The pen or the sword said:
Lets assume her nuke attack will kill mercer the fact still remains he gets off his infection/consumption hax long before she goes for this attack. Again she has a wind con throwing mercer into space.
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How does Lucy throwing Alex Mercer into space work as a winning condition? Mercer has flight (and can fly back) and has similar lifting strength (he can wrestle from being thrown or just dash into Lucy despite being grappled). Lucy is lucky if she is not the one thrown into space.
 
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Again, we have no exact value for vaporising/atomising characters with superhuman durability, so arguing for vaporising/atomising through sheer AP is unquantifiable. One of the staff even said so.

Also, Mercer can't fly back to Earth as he doesn't have his DLC abilities. As the OP doesn't specify that he has DLC abilities, it does not get included. And the distance of being sent into space is too far away for him to return to Earth.
 
He doesn't have the reach or strength to throw her into space. The only reason lucy can do it is due to her vectors reaching into space with there sheer length in full horn mode.
 
The pen or the sword said:
He doesn't have the reach or strength to throw her into space. The only reason lucy can do it is due to her vectors reaching into space with there sheer length in full horn mode.
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Sheer length cannot throw a person into space. Sheer force can.

Lucy is Class K and Alex is Class M at his 7-C form (the strongest form -whic/ OP has dictated). Even if Alex cannot destroy the vector walls holding him (being 7-A dura), Alex can still rip open between 2 walls like opening a shut blast door.

Of course Lucy can send another pair of vector hands to create another small walled room to send Alex into space (and rinse and repeat).
 
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Of course Lucy can send another pair of vector hands to create another small walled room to send Alex into space (and rinse and repeat).
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And there we go, we have a win con for Lucy. It might be out-of-character for her, but OOC win condition is still win condition. She would just need to move Mercer bit by bit each time that happens until he is in space.
 
And there we go, we have a win con for Lucy. It might be out-of-character for her, but OOC win condition is still win condition. She would just need to move Mercer bit by bit each time that happens until he is in space.

Wow. She has a different win con (from her defeat against Carnage even) even.

Okay Mercer FRA sine not stomp.
 
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So this Alex Mercer still gets yeeted by any version of Cole MacGrath?
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I mean, Cole has resistance to Absorption (at a macro-quantum level at that). Mercer definitely won't be getting past that unless he has Resistance Negation to Absorption.

The only thing we can argue is that Mercer's Disease Manipulation should be able to affect him (as we don't see any evidence of the Ray Field Plague being as potent as the Blacklight Virus, which is superior to an another virus called Redlight, which can infect living beings and inanimate objects alike), but that would be... Quite a long shot. A possibility, but something that could be worth several threads of debates over.

I'd say that we shouldn't make a match between them just yet as, even with Mercer's Regenerationn as it is now, there is a likely chance that Mercer could get yeeted by any of Cole's versions until there is proper confirmation that Mercer has a win con.

As of now, it'll be better for Mercer to have a match with an another character that he has a win con for.
 
Alex is hard to find decent matches for, his regen, consumption, adaption and infection allow him to punch above his own teir, and anyone lacking in viral resistance/variable hax gets screwed hard by his willingness to gas an area to achieve victory.
 
The pen or the sword said:
Ehh if she were less sadistic and more willing to go for the kill this'd be a different matter but her in character behavior brings this from mid high diff in mercers favor, to a low mid. Odds are she impales him on her vectors, pulls him close and is imediatly consumed/infected. She has no way to deal with mercers abosrbiton and infection.
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But... she is sadistic and willing to kill. Extremely much so. "Once you are incapacitated, I am going to rip off your limbs and leave you naked and bleeding out" levels of cruel, but also "I'm going to kill literally everyone I see with lethal strikes to the head or vital organs" cruel.
 
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