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About Arceus and The Mirror Cave

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Wouldn't arceus have atomic hax since he pretty much created everything including atoms? Also is the pokemon episode about the mirror cave and its Multiple Universe information accepted. Has what Zinnia said to be accepted or not? These are my questions.

Edit: The episode referred to is here.
 
Reflection Cave Cal, from Pokemon X and Y 37.

As for the questions, technically they should, but considering how reality warping works, where the user doesn't have to be precise about their goals at all, unless matter was specifically stated to be created on the atomic or molecular level it's not considered as such.

As for the other question, yes we accepted Zinnia's statement but we haven't really considered what was stated in the anime "The Cave of Mirrors" since, well, not many people watch the anime.
 
Crap wrong name...

I see. That makes since, but shouldn't he be able to ignore durability somehow?

If I create a thread about the anime feat could we perhaps get it accepted since this is possibly a major feat for Arceus.
 
well,i mean arceus did create "space"(palkia) which matter needs to exist no matter how small the constituent matter particle is(so far).

Spatial manipulation >> Atomic/subatomic manipulation
 
KazarianFahs said:
Spatial manipulation >> Atomic/subatomic manipulation
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This.

All 2-C attacks Ignore durability to an extent and Arceus has already reality warped things out of existence.

Discussion of the anime feat is acceptable but it won't change much and future installments will likely retcon it.
 
I know Reflection Cave won't make arceus multiversal but I wonder whether it would bump him up higher on the 2-C scale.
 
I would say so. I counted all of the mirrors that the episode showed and between both Ash's world and the alternate world there are hundreds upon hundreds of mirriors of different sizes. Wouldnt that confirm Hundreds of different universes?
 
And if just one universe in pokemon, like Ash's, have many different timelines, wouldnt that also be applied to each of the alternate universes stated in the mirror episode?
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
I know Reflection Cave won't make arceus multiversal but I wonder whether it would bump him up higher on the 2-C scale.
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Yes, of course.

FictionalBlade101 said:
I would say so. I counted all of the mirrors that the episode showed and between both Ash's world and the alternate world there are hundreds upon hundreds of mirriors of different sizes. Wouldnt that confirm Hundreds of different universes?
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Much less than that. More like sixty.

As for the theory, it's best to work with what we already know as fact. Simply: there are as many alternate Realities as there are mirrors.

How many mirrors are there? We don't know it was never stated.

If we were to count the ones shown in the anime we would gain a very unimpressive and finite number.

An unimpressive step up from the six universe sized multiverse (with an unknown amount of pocket universes that pop up from time to time).

If we were to count the ones in the game that shows us a full layout we would gain a number easily in the lower spectrum of one hundred.

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How would it be Sixty? I counted the mirrors from BOTH ashs universe and the alternate universe where the main characters switch roles. I got a number of mirriors going past the 400's even. Unless we dont count like every single crystal (even the tiniest ones) then i guess it would be much shorter. But since it was specifically stated that every crystal in the cave had a reflective surface, every crystal should technically count as a mirror. Even if those crystals are tiny as hell. Remember there is more than one reflection cave than the one in Ashs universe with many mirrors in it. The Alternate mirror world has a reflection cave of its very own, proving that each alternate world a mirror leads to has its own reflection cave that have mirrors linking them to even more alternate worlds
 
Can you back up your words? Can you prove that this is in the hundreds?

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As for your other point, or we can note that the Reflection Caves of other realities are connected, as shown, not leading to their own unique multiverses. Either way, we don't know for sure. They're just theories. Again, let's just focus on what we know for sure.
 
The only way to prove that is to count every single mirror visable on screen throughtout the entire duration of the episode. And Ash's cave alone does not have hundreds of mirrors. Again it is the combinaion of ALL the mirrors split BETWEEN the 2 universes. The single reflection cave in Ash's universe has no where near that many mirrors i counted.
 
This is pointless. I'll link the images into Arceus's profile but considering this is nothing concrete nothing more can be derived from it.

What should we do about Dialga's, Palkia's and Giratina's unsealed ratings based on this information?
 
One thing that bothered me is that whatever rating we decide about the trio,IMHO arceus should at the very least one sub tier above them,since arceus has created them and beat them without much effort.And about the trio's tier,are the trio constants throughout all pokemon verses? if so all the mirror verses can maybe bump them up a bit.
 
They are stated to only be three created during Creation. No more, no less. It was also stated in HGSS that they, along with Arceus, shaped the World so yes, they likely scale and it's not just a bit. Arceus is rated at least so he's already noted to be far above them.
 
well,if that's the case then palkia and dialga must have created all those space time continuums,since arceus doesn't partake in the whole creation thingy except creating the trio and banishing giratina,and giratina would obviously scale to the other two members of the trio,this looks fair enough.
 
No. The Unknown aren't mentioned to have any hand in creation and though their appearances are odd, we still don't know the connection between them and Arceus, though of course there are theories.
 
I guess so. Also just one last thing and i promise i'll drop this topic

If the Creation Trio are each upgraded to a solid 2-C, how come Arceus is still listed to be "At least low 2-C"? Shouldnt he just be a solid 2C, possibly more?
 
^Because high 2-C or 2-B are infinitly more powerful then any feat that has been shown

Arceus may be in the same tier but that still doesn't stop him from stomping every other pokemon at once
 
Incomplete Arceus defeated the sealed Creation Trio in combat so he scales to their sealed forms.

I guess we can use the fact that in the mangas Arceus managed to create them without any plates but in that media they were depicted at much lower levels with their best feats being destabilizing another dimension (and later on causing the space-time of the actual Pokemon Universe to go hay wire).

At least low 2-C Incomplete Arceus is the safest rating in my opinion.
 
Alrighty, so I came to look at this thread and I wonder with one question: is there any actual evidence where Arceus or the creation trio actually created or can destroy all of these universes at the same exact time? Because if they were all created individually, it's not exactly impressive.
 
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