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Kai the Collector vs Adam Taurus (8B Round 21 Redux)

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I'm here, I assume a lot of the same arguments are gonna occur.
 
He's here

He's queer

He doesn't want any more beers

(legit tho is anything actually happening? I'm scared to start debating)
 
Welp, time to take action and make it quick (but long).

Attack: Kai. 55.5 Tons > Adams 18.84 Ton scaled feat. However, if his aura is activated, Adam takes the advantage depending on how many blows he absorbs.

Durability: Kai in physical terms, see attack. But if aura is activated, then the forcefields can be hard to take down, so Adam would have the advantage if he has aura activated.

Lifting Strength: Kai. M is better than Adams K.

Stamina: Supposedly Kai? I am not sure how much energy exactly Adam has as it never specifies, but assuming those were days, albeit he can get tired from his aura being broken, Kai has still fought even in the harsh environments for days, not breaking a sweat.

Range: Equal. They both have range going as high as dozens of meters.

Intelligence: Assuming Kai is at least an above average fighter thanks to commanding an army with no problem and being a skilled fighter (despite being rated as unknown), I guess he takes it. After all, Adam can be overconfident.

Experience: Kai, no contest. A 500 year old fighter compared to a 23 year old... legendary.

Abilities: Hard one. Both have similar abilities such as them being having Extrasensory Preception, Enhanced Senses, etc. Of coarse, Adam is with his Mid-Low Regenerationn and Aura to make forcefields plus a power boost for every attack he takes, and Kai is with his summons via Chi plus transmutation to turn people into chi when weakened and absorb them. Id say they are equal, as its real hard to decide.

Conclusion: Kai pretty much has a majority of the advantages, and should be able to try to do brute force on Adam before he could land a hit on him with absorbed power from Kai from his semblance. Thus, the winner is Kai, until someone can try to make an objection to that, which I would appreciate.
 
If Kai tries to brute force Adam Adam just absorbs the energy from Kai's attacks and oneshots him

Adam also oneshots all of Kai's summons and has his own duplicates to throw Kai off
 
Can Kai absorb Adams "Duplicates"?

Also, you realize Adam can still feel pain even if semblance is up, right? So it would be best Kai makes this quick while Adam is at his weakest before Adam kills him with the added power.

And once Adams aura is broken, he will be tired, giving Kai a chance to finish the job.
 
Actually, thats the difference, Adam doesnt feel pain by blocking attacks, its even stated in the show, something Yang states is 'cheap' compared to her own semblance which works nearly identically
 
Then we will wait for either DragonEmperor or GyroNutz to notce this so they can have their opinions, since they seem to be the most reliable sources.
 
ThePixelKirby said:
So why was this removed in the first place?
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Apparently, the reasonings of Adam winning was very poor and was therefore overruled as null. Hence why we are doing a rematch.
 
I feel like you could argue scaling Kai to Master Black Tortoise's Meteor feat, which would put him way above Adam.

But that's for another time ig.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Adam also oneshots all of Kai's summons and has his own duplicates to throw Kai off
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Oogway being one of those summons is a hard "no" on the one-shot argument.

WeeklyBattles said:
Actually, thats the difference, Adam doesnt feel pain by blocking attacks, its even stated in the show, something Yang states is 'cheap' compared to her own semblance which works nearly identically
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Being in pain =/= being exhausted. He clearly gets tired by the end of his fight with them as anyone else would by exerting their aura and getting it broken.
 
@Dargoo Kai has never once used Oogway at any point in the series even when having Oogway would have been a massive benefit to him such as rounding up all of the Pandas or destroying the Jade Palace. Hell he never even used Tai Lung.

Aura being broken which has shown to cause physical exhaustion =/= him being in pain by blocking attacks with his weapon
 
Eh, fair point. I thought he would have employed Oogway at some point in the fight. Not like Tai Lung would make a difference here but eh.

Psycho's point was that by the time Adam's aura is broken, he would be tired, not in pain. So the pain bit is irrelevent to the discussion.
 
I dont disagree that breaking Adam's aura would exhaust him, though it would probably only for a short while seeing as he was ready to fight again after only about 30 seconds of rest and Weiss was fighting Vernal for a few minutes after her aura went down

Though knowing Kai that is all he would need to finish Adam, assuming they get to that point and Adam doesnt seriously mess Kai up with his semblance
 
WeeklyBattles said:
I dont disagree that breaking Adam's aura would exhaust him, though it would probably only for a short while seeing as he was ready to fight again after only about 30 seconds of rest and Weiss was fighting Vernal for a few minutes after her aura went down
Though knowing Kai that is all he would need to finish Adam, assuming they get to that point and Adam doesnt seriously mess Kai up with his semblance
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To be entire fair after his aura is shattered he's immediately on the defensive before Yang and Blake kill him for no reaso defeat him.

That's the thing. Adam's semblance helps, but all it really does is close the already large AP gap between the two. Kai normally fighting Adam is like Adam is fighting an aura-amped version of himself.

Someone should go PM Gyro, btw
 
Pretty glad Dargoon is involved this time since he's knowledgeable on RWBY and Kungfu Panda.

Honestly trying to understand why people don't think Adam can't one shot with his semblance. If he absorbed enough AP to cut through Blake's weapon then that would have one shot her, her weapon logically would be much more durable then her and as such Adam would be able to one shot Kai with Kai's own AP.

Not to say that Adam WILL one shot with every use of his semblance but he definitely can.
 
By absorbing the 52 ton character's AP yeah. One shotting the weapon which is >>>> 19 tons in durability.

Not to mention one shotting the spider drone that he barely scratched before (WAAAAAYYY higher than 19 ton durability) when absorbing its durability.

Basically if it doesn't one shot Kai it cripples him.
 
Also let's not exaggerate here with Kai's AP advantage. He's >>> 52 while Adam is >>> 18 tons. So 52/18 = 2.89

That's not a high advantage.
 
Schnee One said:
When was it>>>>19 Tons in Durability?
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Obviously Blake's weapon would be of higher durability than herself. Or are you going to argue that the weapon and person have equal durability?
 
Does her weapon have feats of higher durability?

Weapons can easily be equal to or lower in durability than their users
 
Obviously Blake's weapon would be of higher durability than herself. Or are you going to argue that the weapon and person have equal durability?

?

Her weapon isn't >>>> by being a weapon

It's stronger by a small degree, that's it
 
Sorry but a weapon being lower durability than the user is ridiculous. Implying that a weapon's durability being equal to the user means that any single attack that she's blocked with her weapon would do no damage to her AT ALL seeing how the weapon has never at any point received cuts, dents, or ANYTHING whatsoever.

Also please using that logic would mean her own physical attacks would be capable of breaking her weapon and story wise (and logically) that would make no sense.
 
Stronger by a small degree? Dude that doesn't make sense. Using the real world as an example would you saying a steel sword would only be "slightly higher durability" than your own body? No of course not.

There needs to be a ground basis or proof of ANY kind to say that in a fictional story it would operate any differently. Which there isn't.

The burden of proof lands on the one trying to prove that the weapon would be only a little bit higher in durability when the normal assumption based on the real world would be much higher.

Using "it's fiction" is not a valid argument. We assume there's oxygen in RWBY or that the characters have hearts without having seen them BECAUSE it logically makes sense. The same would apply.
 
The real world isn't comprised of characters far greater than 9-B. So that logic doesn't follow.

There isn't evidence of your claims either.

No. You made the positive statement, claiming the weapon should be vastly superior in durability to the characters themselves. Prove it.
 
There is also Cinders weapons breaking repeatedly in her fight with Raven and vice versa.
 
@ Mr. Bambu

There are logical assumptions that do not require any sort of "proof."

For example:

Characters in RWBY use the toilet in the same way those in real life do.

Obvious statement exists but all of a sudden it's a wrong statement because there's no proof.

Characters can breath in space. The proof there needed would be a feat of them breathing in space HOWEVER why do we assume they cannot? Because logically it makes sense and using the real world as an example.

Cars run on fuel. Obvious statement but now it's not true because we haven't seen cars need fuel in order to operate.

Plants need water. We don't see plants need ANYTHING therefore it's not true in the fictional story.

You do not need proof in order to spoon feed information to someone.
 
Schnee One said:
There is also Cinders weapons breaking repeatedly in her fight with Raven and vice versa.
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That's you being ignorant of the fact that her weapons are made of GLASS which is her semblance. Raven's weapon being disposable dust blades.
 
This isn't one of them. You have made a claim that has no evidence and I personally wouldn't call common sense (though I do agree that such claims exist).

The durability of their weapons is in question because they themselves are superhuman. The story has made a departure from common sense in this particular instance. I don't know who has the advantage here but making baseless claims isn't something I'd like to take part in the debate. Keep it in mind, Nico.
 
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