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Adventure Time. Piece by piece CRT

RatherClueless

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This time I'll do it in shorter pieces, starting with my biggest issues. UwU

Orgalorg and why he ISN'T low 2-C (and even if he was, why it would not matter)

Where does the scaleing come from?

The low 2-C comes from the assumption that Orgalorg managed to absorb the Catalyst Comet. Finn defeated Orgalorg with the grass sword and since Finn defeated Fern (The grass sword x Finn-sword) Finn and some other characters that scale to him are now low 2-C. The comet itself is at low 2-C because it is supposebly able to "merge" with the universe.


Why is it not useable?
The main issue is that Orgalorg never managed to propperly absorb the comet. The comet itself was fine afterwards. The reasoning for the comet to be low 2-C is kinda faulty anyways, since it never said "become one" with the beginning and the end, but rather "go to", which doesn't imply anything than maybe teleportation/time travel/very high speeds.


Why noone would scale from it, even if he was low 2-C.
Assumeing the comet was low 2-C and Orgalorg managed to absorb it, it can actually be disproven, that it would give him low 2-C durability, since he got crushed by earths gravity after he absorbs the comet.


Sizes and calculations

Size and distances of Ooo, planets and even aliens and why they are contradictory.

The size of Ooo:
We have many shots of Ooo and how far places are apart. In all of these scenes the distances are fairly consistant and are not contradicted by anything. Quite the opposite, many traveling feats of people just walking some distances make sence with what is shown. We even have a tower, that barely reached above the clouds (not any taller 100km, but more likely just 10-20km) fall over and cover a distance way past of what is currenty assumed to be many hundreds of kilometers. The fact that you can even see and hear people across such distances doesn't help either.

This heavily effects many moon/continental level calcs, which would only be small city to island level, depending on the size used (10-100km) The picture used to justify this size is contradictory in its self, since the distances between landmarks is as large as it has always been, put the planet is completely unpropotional to it and should not be used.


Size of Ampersand and Jake expanding:
Consistancy is key. It has always been shown to be only a couple hundred meters, possibly kilometers in diameter. Just logically speaken, why would Warren choose such a large planet, if he was about to die? He even calls it a "rock" himself. For the sake of argument, lets just go with "bad art direction". The scene still clearly shows foreshortining (since the rocket Warren is in, cant expand, nor would it make any sence if it could/would), so the size of Jakes hand would be far smaller than it is currently assumed to be anyways.


Nameless Alien and the size of that planet:
The nameless Alien is behind the "planet" in question. We know the size of said alien from the scene where we see it in the citadell. The citadell is not even close to beeing as large as a planet, so the planet shown cant be as large a regular planet either, since the alien would need to be depicted so small, that we cant/barely even see it, to reasonably assume anything even close to the size of a moon/small planet.


Calculation and feat issues

Ice Kings speed feat:
This feat has litterally 2(!) cuts in between, showing the IK at completely different positions after each cut.


Ice Kings storm creation:
We never see him doing anything like this on purpose, nor is it likely that his ice has comparable AP/Durability anyways, since non of his attacks seemed to have any such effect. He also didnt do it by himself, so he should only get half the credit.


The crown freezing the world:
The biggest issue here is the assumed temperature. At a certain temperature all water within the air starts to instantly freeze. The temperature would be way higher than what is assumed, since the earth was covered in ice, not frozen air. Besides that, if everyone and everything got frozen solid like this, why does Marceline (who should have been also frozen) know that the entire earth got frozen? Seeing it in the flashback doesnt help much either, since we had many flashbacks in AT that show things how people remember/imagin them, rather than how they happened.


Lemongrabs sound sword:
This is mostly fine and checks out with things like Finn almost beeing as fast as the sunrise (over 470m/s) in season 7 (so fairly late into the show)
 
The first part, yes. Very straight forward. The second part, not so much. The argument of "just bad art" was used alot to "disprove" me on the size ones. Even though I think that especially in that case not only the most consistant, but preferably also the lower end should be chosen, if there is nothing contradicting it (and in most cases there is nothing to contradict it)
 
>Low 2-C Orgalorg stuff

Agree. For reasons I stated in the previous thread.

>Warren Ampersand / Jake's shapeshifting stuff

I can agree with the celestial body they were in being small, but I still don't see any particular reason for Warren and Jake's own shapeshifting abilities to be so inferior to Charlie's, especially considering that Warren is far more malleable and skilled in shapeshifting than Jake and his kin ever showed to be (presumably due to being a "pure" Shapeshifter, while Jake and his kids are just hybrids). Nevertheless, Jake should still at least partially scale to his dad, since Warren returned to his Prime by absorbing Jake's own powers in the first place.

The Lich and Orgalorg should definitely scale to that, considering Jake struggled to restrain the Lich inside of him even with his Shapeshifting, and is overall portrayed as not being that much of a big deal compared to beings such as him and Orgalorg.

>Ice King's speed feat

Can you elaborate on that? The Ice King is pretty clearly flying into space in that scene.

>Ice King's Storm

We already saw the Ice King conjuring things such as storms and powerful winds numerous times throughout the series, it is not a stretch to say he was responsible for the Storm, especially when it was formed before him and Flame Princess even started attacking each other and actually using their powers.

>Nameless Alien stuff

The Planet which was cut apart in that scene pretty clearly had a fully-developed mantle and a core, if we go by the Alien's size as shown in the background of Escape from the Citadel, then it is barely bigger than a Human. So, yeah, I don't think this argument is valid. Trying to dismiss the appearance of a core within it as an "artistic error" is also a pretty bad argument and is basically accusing the writers / artists of being complete idiots - It is far more reasonable to say that the Alien's size was drawn inconsistently.

There is also the fact that, this flashback is shown in a scene where Prismo is talking about how the Citadel is a place for the worst kind of criminals in existence. As in, people who committed crimes of a cosmic scale and had to be imprisoned for eternity in some isolated corner of space. So yeah, I am fairly sure that this is supposed to be an actual planet based on the overall context of the scene, especially if we go by Occam's Razor.

>Stuff implying Finn being as fast as the sunrise means he can't possible be beyond Subsonic

Movement and Travel Speed =/= Combat and Reaction Speed.
 
I am on my phone right now, so I'll make this short (I'll give a better answer tomorrow)

When it comes to the IKs feat its just like I said. It has 2 cutscenes depicting him at vastly different positions (Time passed during those cutscenes).

The stuff Finn scales to (the things that give him MHS+ and the like) are all and without exception travel speed. If you can give me FTL reaction speeds, fine. But this does disprove all the other things he scales to.

I do have things to say about the other stuff too, but I have not only been told to not write any walls of text, but I am also tired and writing on my phone suxs lol.
 
https://youtu.be/gQzlmM59gpw

It shows Simon carrying Party God out of the atmosphere then it cuts to him tossing him into space there being a scene cut /=/ massive time went by as its playing in real time in the same scene and there's also no good reason to assume he just magically teleported there with no proof

Using this logic about 90% of speed feats wouldn't be valid

Edit: in fact watching the scene again it pretty clearly shows Ice King going out of the atmosphere then to space extremely quickly it's pretty blatantly emphasizing speed here.
 
Isn't Orgalrorg also Low 2-C for existing before the darkness before creation?
 
This will be a BIT long, but I will try to make it as short as possible rather than one of my usual giant walls of text, lol. Here goes:

I just spotted ANOTHER, equally big issue with the use of scaling from the Comet for Orgalorg: The Comet's own Low 2-C tier does not match its durability! I mean: Orgalorg captured and pierced the comet with his tentacles while Orgalorg itself was still only Tier 5. So the Comet's durability is NOT Low 2-C, regardless of its reality-warping. So even if Orgalorg did absorb a non-negligible amount of the Comet's power, we have no reason to believe that this increased Orgalorg's durability above Tier 5, since the Comet itself isn't that durable! So Finn/Grass Arm's feat of defeating Orgalorg can't be above Tier 5.

I do still think that the Nameless Alien's feat seems to be Tier 5. The planet had a crust, mantle, outer core, and inner core. In order for a planet to have that level of inner complexity, it has to be of a certain size, at the very least moon-sized. So Darkanine's Tier 5 calc is likely valid, or at the very least a new lowballed calc which assumes the planet is moon-sized. If we assume the planet is moon-sized and calc it, I am guessing the destroyed material will come to High 6-A and the K-E calc will come to Low 5-B or 5-B. Perhaps we can ask Darkanine or someone else if they could redo the calc with a lowball where the planet is moon-sized, and an Earth-sized highball.

I highly suspect that the scaling of the alien to the planet in that scene was so "off" simply due to the writers and artists not knowing a damn thing about math, lol. There's also the possibility that the Citadel Guardians have the ability to shrink prisoners to catch them! That seems highly likely, since they would need a way to catch prisoners far larger than themselves!

Also, let's not forget that Orgalorg is called "The Breaker of Worlds," and I highly doubt he would be called that unless he could literally, well. . . .break worlds, i.e. is Tier 5.
 
Sir Ovens said:
We may need Darkanine here.
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Not necessarily; Pretty much anybody could re-do Darkanine's calc as a lowball assuming the planet was only moon-sized like I said in my post above, simply by scaling-down all the relevant portions of his original calc. That would be super easy to do for pretty much anyone with experience doing calcs on here. That being said, his input would still be appreciated, since it is his calc that I am proposing be redone with new lowball and highball versions, although the highball will simply being his original calc left unchanged.

I do want to re-emphasize, while I get the chance, the fact that Orgalorg is called "the Breaker of Worlds." Seems pretty clear that we are talking about a Tier 5 character when they have an epithet like that. Also, didn't Orgalorg himself once say that he can destroy worlds?
 
He said that due to the comics, everyone should be 2-A anyway.
 
Sir Ovens said:
He said that due to the comics, everyone should be 2-A anyway.
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Um. . . .none of the A.T. comics (with the exception of the Stakes miniseries prequel-comic) are canon to the series, though, as neither Ward nor Muto had anything to do with them whatsoever, and they themselves have said multiple times that all the comics are non-canon. So that makes literally zero or negative amounts of sense, lol. And the idea of Infinite-Multiversal Finn is just. . . .lmao, I don't even know where to begin on how silly that is. Are you SURE that's what he said, that he said Tier 2-A and not something like 2-C?

Let's try not to post much more here for now if it isn't really contributing anything new, as I want to see what people think of my long-ish post (four posts above this one, in case people are wondering), and I don't want it to disappear in a sea of later posts (unless those posts are contributing something new and worthwhile to the discussion, of course) before people get a chance to look at it. Lol.
 
@Ultima Reality

Thank you for helping out. Do you have suggestions for how we should rescale the Adventure Time profiles?
 
Oof, so many coments to talk about. Not ganna make a wall of text though (insert shaq meme)

@Js If The feat is calced with supposebly 100km traveled and we see like what, 5? Maybe 10? Then no, this is a feat that should not be used, especially if there is nothing to support the idea that he can travel at those speeds. In the first shot he is a couple tens of meters above the ground, in the next a couple of 10s of kilometers and in the last 100 are assumed. The gap between the scenes is way to massive to justify that feat.

Just think about what that would mean in general. Whenerver a character moved from A to B with a cutscene, theyd be MFTL+. I highly doubt that thats what 90% of the feats here are like

Edit: Meant to say cuts, not cutscenes lol

Him creating that "storm" is great and all, but can he put that into any sort of AP? His strongest attack he ever used was that against FP and it only sen them flying for a couple hundred of meters and the explosion did next to nothing.

@Ultima About Ampersand. That still ignores the foreshortining issue. We also dont know how much of the planet/how thin Warren covered it. All of Jakes kids are very different to Jake in most ways, actuall. Wether it might be teleportation, portal opening or moving as lightning. Charlie is no exception. Her ability doesnt even seem to be "stretchy", but something else entirely (she gets see through afterall).

The storm litterally moves in above both of their heads in equal amounts, not just the IKs. This implies that its because of both. Also, why would the IK create a storm in the first place? There is no reason.

I already told Goody what I think about the nameless alien thing and why the value itsself does not matter at all (I'll copy that over later). You also dont need to be a planet buster to commit a cosmic crime. That was made fairly clear too.

@Goody The only thing I still need to tell you (I atleast think I covered everything else), is the title issue for Orgalorg. He has no feats, nor resonable scaleing. He was completely beaten by someone who wasnt able to take the impact of what he had mistaken with the catalyst comet. The meteor that killed the dinosaurs. Since its supposed to be a similar event in AT, I'll just go with the real (estimated) values for said meteor. By the wikis AP chart, that would barely be High 6-A (100trillion tons of tnt). Even if he did destroy a planet, then how long did it take/did he do it in one go? Why isnt he in the citadell the?

Also, the comics have a weird 5D rope feat. I dont think they should get 2-A because of that regardless though.


Oof, that was alot. Still didnt write a wall of text thogh
 
This is what I replied to Goody about the Alien:

That might be so, but the even bigger issue is that noone would scale to it (and its still weird). It is used to make the citadel Guardians tier 5, by saying that they must have fought the alien head on and tanked that exact blast, but they got completely hammered by a train. Then they scaled the Guardians to the Lich, even though they never actually fought. The Lich just didnt give a sh*t about them and the Guardians were busy fighting of the freed criminals. So wether its planetary or not has no/should not have any influence on any other characters.
 
@Clueless

The difference between Jake and his kids is that they are Rainicorn hybrids, but they still get Shapeshifting abilities from him (As seen with Charlie herself). Do you have any actual reason for Ampersand and Jake to be orders of magnitude weaker than Charlie in this regard? Especially since Ampersand is a "Pure" Shapeshifter, like I said, and is far more malleable than Jake ever was.

Him creating that "storm" is great and all, but can he put that into any sort of AP? His strongest attack he ever used was that against FP and it only sen them flying for a couple hundred of meters and the explosion did next to nothing.

By that same logic Ice King and Flame Princess can't be anything higher than Tier 8, since the explosion caused by their combined powers wasn't as big as one a nuke would create, when that's contradicted by Flame Princess' actual feat of triggering the massive eruption of a volcano which was calced as comparable to the Tsar Bomba, or a Nameless Fire Elemental doing a similar feat with no effort whatsoever.

"Its weird" isn't an actual argument, it is as valid as saying Finn and co. can't be Tier 5 because it "doesn't feel right" or "seems ridiculous". Arguments from incredulity are worthless unless backed up by some concise reasoning, like I said.

Starchie's train didn't even damage the Citadel Guardian it crashed on, just pushed it back. Even then it makes no sense for a train that small to do anything to something as large as the Citadel Guardians, it's an outlier.

Yeah, you don't need to destroy a Planet to commit a cosmic crime, I am just saying that the overall context of the scene makes it pretty obvious we are supposed to be seeing an actual planet here.
 
@RatherClueless

Good point about how the Guardians probably didn't directly fight the Nameless Alien, they most likely caught it off guard and used their freezing-hax on it. That being said, I am almost positive that the Citadel Guardian being knocked-out by a train was a massive low-level outlier, man. I mean come on, we know for a fact that no matter what, the high-tiers in this series have to be AT LEAST something like Small City Level+ based on Flame Queen's eruption. And there is no way the Guardians, the cops of the ultimate cosmic court-system, are SO much weaker than Flame Queen that they themselves are Building Level when she is City Level.

Good point about Glob getting taken out by something which was equivalent to the Lich-meteor or to the last catalyst comet that is implied to be what took a giant chunk out of the planet, and thus probably not being above Tier 6. I'm positive Martin's ship WAS 6-A or High 6-A, since it was implied that it would cause devastating damage to the entire surface of Mars if it hadn't been stopped. Glob 'didn't 'die from it, though, so based on that, we can probably say that Glob and Orgalorg are 6-A or High 6-A. Being tier 6-A or High 6-A WOULD justify the title of "Breaker of Worlds."

I agree that you don't need to be a planet-buster to commit a Cosmic Crime, but it's also certainly true that just plain KILLING a city's-worth of people isn't enough to be a Cosmic Crime, or plenty of humans in the modern era (which is canonically the past of the A.T. world) would have been captured by Citadel Guardians. The aliens that committed a cosmic crime without planet-busting did some...weird things that seem inexplicable by human standards. I'm pretty sure that if it's just a straight act of genocide/killing, you've gotta kill off a whole planetary population to be a "cosmic criminal."

Well obviously the 5-D rope-feat in the comics shouldn't count because: 1. It was an outlier and 2. The comics are non-canon, lol.
 
I am pretty sure the Season 11 Comics and ''The Beginning of the End'' are actually supposed to be canon to the show tho.
 
Ultima Reality said:
I am pretty sure the Season 11 Comics and The Beginning of the End are actually supposed to be canon to the show tho.
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The Season 11 comics are non-canon, Adam Muto has said so, he said that no one from the actual show is involved in the Season 11 comic and thus it cannot be considered a true Season 11, and the actual end of the canon series was indeed the final episode, Come Along With Me. He has stated multiple times that none of the comics besides the Stakes Prequel are canon. Although I think those statements may have been before the Beginning of the End comic, so I'm not really sure about the canon-status of that one, now that I think about it.
 
Alright, we are getting closer to common ground, niceu!

@Ultima You said it yourself, they are also partially rainacorn, makeing their abilities, well, different. Completely ignoring the fact that we only see it happening once and that it seems vastly diferent to anything Jake or Warren ever did (She increased in size and got see through, possibly even intagible, while Jake and Warren can shape and stretch how ever they want, but cant get see through/lower their density), since planets and the like are always drawn in very weird ways (and I dont just feel like they are lol), her size might actually be off too, but I feel like that would be reaching.

Also, accuseing me of arguing with"feelings", but basically saying I "feel" like Warren should be stronger. I mean, Gohan is only half Sayan and has more potential than Goku. I know its a diferent verse, but the same reasoning.

The train was mostly meant to show how weird it is to assume the Guardian tanked a planetary blast, but got knocked over by a train. Even if we consider it an outlier, its still funny af haha.

I am also fairly certain the comics are non canon, but even if they were, they would need to get an extra key, prefferably specifying that its the comics. Is that the reason why Finn has a season 11 key? If so it should be specified. I dont actually mind comic keys, but they should be treated like the MCU is. Different canon, different keys. (I feel like I stated my point way to often in this haha)
 
You said it yourself, they are also partially rainacorn, makeing their abilities, well, different. Completely ignoring the fact that we only see it happening once and that it seems vastly diferent to anything Jake or Warren ever did (She increased in size and got see through, possibly even intagible, while Jake and Warren can shape and stretch how ever they want, but cant get see through/lower their density).

Like I said, they are Rainicorn Hybrids but they get Shapeshifting abilities from Jake himself, Charlie likely became intangible after growing to planetary size so she wouldn't devastate everything on her way.
 
or maybe thats just how her ability works I find Charlie very iffy in general, but alright. I also edited my comment just before you answered, so you might have missed something.
 
Also, accuseing me of arguing with"feelings", but basically saying I "feel" like Warren should have the better ability. I mean, Gohan is only half Sayan and has more potential than Goku. I know its a diferent verse, but the same reasoning.

Well, sorry if I came off as aggressive or condescending, but what I said is not wrong. Arguments which are based on incredulity are not at all valid in a discussion, again unless they are backed up by some concise reasoning, hence things like "Finn shouldn't be 5-B because it feels weird and crazy" are basically worthless by themselves.

That's a huge false equivalency. Saiyan-Human Hybrids are pretty blatantly said and shown to have more potential than pure-blooded Saiyans throughout most of Dragon Ball Z, meanwhile nothing of the sort is even remotely implied in Adventure Time, and if anything is actually contradicted.
 
1. I never made a statement saying "its weird and thats why we shouldnt use it" without giving any facts at some point.

2. Are they said to be stronger? Guess I gotta re-read lol.

3. Rainacorns (even pure blooded ones) differ in things like abilities. Some of Jakes kids have some sweet abilities, like "hair controll" or whatever Charlie does (I feel very uncomftable calling it "stretch powers" lol) and some of them just have standart rainacorn stuff, like teleportation. One of those that didnt get anything "special" is Kim Kil Whan, his daughter however has an ability noone else has shown up to that point, namely turning into lightning. The fact that she is only 1/4th rainacorn or even just 1/8th alien did not matter.

4. What contradicts that rainacorn x alien can give "better" results than just alien?

5. Even if we assumed that Warren can do the same, that would mean that his density would be lower just like it was with Charlie, giving far lower results, since the mass didnt increase, which is what the calc is based on.
 
What contradicts that rainacorn x alien can give "better" results than just alien?

The fact Jake's (who himself is a Shapeshifter hybrid) shapeshifting is clearly shown to be worse and far less versatile than Warren's multiple times, there is no reason to assume Charlie is better at it for the sole fact she has Rainicorn genes, and if anything, you are the one who should be trying to prove this. Burden of Proof and all.

Even if we assumed that Warren can do the same, that would mean that his density would be lower just like it was with Charlie, giving far lower results, since the mass didnt increase, which is what the calc is based on.

Are you talking about how Charlie became transparent after growing in size? Pretty sure that would be just Intangibility, something Rainicorns have shown.
 
I am not saying that she is better than him, quite the opposite. I am actually saying that she is most likely limited to changeing in size, without any funky shape shifting. Actually, I'd go even further and say: It's nothing like what Jake and Warren can do and a different ability all together.

About the burden of proof. You claim they scale, dont you need to proof things? I kinda summarized the "weirdness" (yes, I really like that word) of rainacorn abilities in my third point anyways and why its possible to get "something new from nothing", so its not like I didnt try to prove anything.

Nah. Thats not what I meant. The larger she grew, the more transparent she got. This indicates that there is a connection between those two, rather than her just useing a seperate ability.

Even if we assume Jake and Warren sclae, wouldnt that still be an outlier since its hundreds of times greater than anything either of those two did?
 
Charlie phases though the bathroom wall in the same episode with her feat safe to say it's intangibility.
 
About the burden of proof. You claim they scale, dont you need to proof things? I kinda summarized the "weirdness" (yes, I really like that word) of rainacorn abilities in my third point anyways and why its possible to get "something new from nothing", so its not like I didnt try to prove anything.

I already presented my arguments for Warren and Jake scaling to her in this very same Thread, meanwhile as far as I know there is no actual proof that Rainicorn-Shapeshifter Alien hybrids would somehow be "better" than pure Shapeshifters at changing in size (Assuming Charlie doing that is an indication of her inheriting Jake's powers to some extent), or that Charlie's feat is a product of some ability that is completely unrelated to Jake's Shapeshifting, other than conjecture.

Nah. Thats not what I meant. The larger she grew, the more transparent she got. This indicates that there is a connection between those two, rather than her just useing a seperate ability.

Considering that we actually do see her growing in size normally before going transparent, I am not sure on there being a connection between these two things.

Even if we assume Jake and Warren sclae, wouldnt that still be an outlier since its hundreds of times greater than anything either of those two did?

Jake casually grew to be nearly as large as Mountains and such even very early in the series, and only ever exerts himself by spreading his body across extremely thin lengths. Him scaling to Charlie's feat being an outlier would imply that it is contradicted by lower, more consistent feats related to his Shapeshifting, when it really isn't (As far as I remember anyways).
 
Well, the best thing Jake ever did was to get as large as a small mountain (maybe 100ish meters), actually and it was only once somewhere in the middle of the show.

Jake doesnt exert himself when growing thin, but he grew thin because he exerted himself, basically being the other way around. When just stretching straight he can barely get to maybe a couple of tens of kilometers (that truly was in the beginning of the show though).

For your argument that being a "true shape shifter" grants the ability to grow larger, because Jake is shittier at stretching than him:

Jake is lazy and maybe he just suxs at it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1ZxtD3MEA0 1:10

We actually see him creating a miniture country within himself, with the "people" inhabiting it having a mind of their own. Skillwise thats way better than anything Warren ever did.
 
Can't really bother with this nowadays with school around, though regarding beginning of the end, it was supposed to be canon to the 11th Season but both were cancelled before the Chrono Rex arc could progress

Regarding its canonicity, all of Adam's statements regarding comics' being canon basically say that they aren't canon to the main continuity of Adventure Time, i.e the universe where the show takes place, and rather they take place in parallel universes, so Rex's canonicity is pretty much set in stone if that's what was said earlier.
 
@RatherClueless

Glad you agree the train taking out a Guardian was likely an outlier. But just like you said, that doesn't make it any less hilarious, it was a funny scene XD

About the Charlie feat: I am kind of up in the air on that one. Thing is, that her mass definitely DID increase to a very large degree when she became planetary-sized; if you recall, when she walked across the earth, there were very audible giant "thump, thump, thump" noises from her footsteps, indicating that indeed, her mass was humongous. Her density couldn't have been TOO low, or else she would have floated off into space rather than staying subject to the Earth's gravity. So it's pretty clear that she did increase in mass, and her turning transparent was intangibility, since she also demonstrated intangibility/phasing through a door while normal-sized. HOWEVER, that being said: I, like you, highly doubt that her mass actually became planetary in scale. That seems pretty insane to me, and we have no actual PROOF that her mass increased quite as much as her volume did. The only requirement for the feat, density-wise, is that her mass was enough for her to stay subject to gravity, while also being enough for her footsteps to make sounds audible around the world. She could have been only as dense as like, light styrofoam, and still fulfilled those conditions. Also, she had no noticable gravitational effect on her surroundings, so how could her mass have been planetary?

@Emperoer but butter

I may be remembering incorrectly, but I'm pretty sure that Muto said something along the lines of how the comics "might" be a parellel universe. He never made it too definitive. I don't think his statements were enough for us to possibly consider anything from the comics to be canon to the A.T. multiverse. Even if the comics somehow ARE canon to the multiverse, that doesn't mean that we can assume the main-timeline versions of the characters scale to feats from the comics.
 
@Goody Glad we are on a similar page. Would you mind also telling me what you think about it beeing "implausibe" that Charlie can grow larger than Jake or Warren/ that she has a different ability/ that she uses it in a completely different way, since I belive that is kinda the biggest issue here
 
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