Massive Majora TLOZ Upgrades(Continued)

-Hey,after revising my previous thread and finding new information please read through the entire post before giving input as now it has everything clarified and has new information essential to the upgrade,Thanks

Majora created Termina: •Yes I'm aware that a thread similar to this has been done before and was rejected,but new info has arrived that adds a bit more context

-"but finally the third book in Dark Horse's Zelda series Hyrule Encyclopedia revealed the solution to the puzzle that is Termina's existence in the world of The Legend of Zelda. The answer it reveals is that Termina is merely a fabrication, created by the power of Majora's Mask when worn by the Skull Kid, and the world ceases to exist once Link departs at the end of the game."

Addressing Tatl's memory debunk: •While yes there's a clip of Tatl's memory before Skull kid put on Majora's Mask.Except,that isn't the Termina Link is in.Sounds crazy right but hear this out,when looking through Termina's origins it's stated that when Skull Kid puts on Majora's Mask and created Termina it was a recreation of the realm around it(likely a country or town outside of Hyrule kingdom that looks just like Termina),which would explain the cutscene when Tatl and Tael meet Skull Kid before he had Majora's Mask as that's not Termina they're in...it's the realm that was recreated/mirrored when Skullkid wearing Majora's mask created Termina.So the Termina we see in the cutscene is not the same Pocket Dimension Termina Link and Tatl were currently in when they have the memory.Proof of this is that Skull Kid was freinds with the Giants before he found the Mask and it's stated that when Skull Kid created Termina the Giants were recreated as well.

-"Termina is a parallel world that was created out of a combination of the burdens in the heart of Skull Kid and the evil magic inside Majora's Mask.The world created had a distinct culture influenced by Majora's ancient tribe and was inhabited by races and people constructed from Skull Kid's memories and imagination.The Four Giants central to Termina's legends were originally friends of Skull Kid who, like Termina itself, were recreated by the Mask."

Termina's existence was tied to that of Majora's Mask. When the evil in the Mask was defeated by Link, Termina disappeared soon after he left."

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•To add as well that since Termina disappeared after Majora died also proves he has the power to completely destroy/create the realm.


•Zephyr also brings up a good point on the memory and how it doesn't make sense -On that topic, will like to state that Skull Kid's "memory" of Termina is not enough proof that Majora didn't created it, since it comes from Tatl, who would've been created alongside it in the first place, making it a "fake memory" on the first place.

•So Majora creating Termina is essentially apart of the lore in every sense along with the fact that once Majora dies Termina disappears as well and this contradicts nothing established,so let's continue

Termina is an parallel Universe:In the official players guide for Majora's Mask.Termina is cited as being a Universe

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•This would explain the several stars in the sky.Since Majora created Termina a "parallel universe" that would be a 3-A feat.It also states that Majora affected everything else in the parallel Universe which would include several stars in the sky which would be a 4-A feat

"Majora only created the land/country of Termina not the whole Universe" is wrong:I'm sure many are thinking that Majora only created the lands of Termina.While yes that would debunk the 3-A feat, IF the quote didn't specifically state that he can affect everything in the parallel universe.Another quote from the guide supports this idea that Majora's powers can affect the enitre realm it's self.Whether it's refering to his powers or mere presence it's still clear that his influence had some form of affect on the things stated in the quote.(KEEP IN MIND THAT I'AM NOT USING THIS AS MY MAIN ARGUMENT BUT MERELY A SUPPORTING QUOTE THAT GIVES INSIGHT TO THE POINTS STATED ABOVE,HOPE THAT CLARIFIES SOME THINGS.)

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•Now even if you don't consider this quote as him altering time and space because you belive it's vague it still supports the fact that Majora has some domineering presence or influence throughout time and space which supports the idea that since Majora created and affected everything in Termina as stated in the first quote.This would be 4-A as Termina's skies have several stars.

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Things to consider:The word Universe is almost never used to describe anything in the Zelda series.The words Realm/World are used frequently which describes certain things in varying sizes.The fact that the word Universe is used speaks volumes to me as Termina being a parallel Universe is very plausible even with out the statements.In the same guidebook it's even stated that "Link knows who the people in Termina but they appear to be parallel copies of the people Link used to know"which gives more support to the idea that Termina is its own Universe.Don't worry soon we will get to the cruel part.....

Majora scaling and Outlier debunk •Going through scaling nothing here is an outleir.I will explain any conflicts with outliers when explaining scaling

Who would scale:(These characters would be the Top Teirs of the verse just below the GG,The Giant Cucco and Groose)

The Triforce-(Stated to be the "Ultimate Power" in Hyrule and is only under the GG placing it above Majora)

Link-(Defeated Majora using the FD Mask and wields the Full Triforce.Should scale to MM Link,Composite and all Link's with the Full Triforce)

Ganondorf-(Has the Full Triforce)

The Master Sword-(could contend with Full Triforce Ganon in the form of the Golden Sword)

Majora-(Duh)

*These upgrades are making me hate Demise and Hylia lol.Fortunately,they might scale based on interpretation and even if they don't scale no outlier would be presented.IMPO I think Demise and Hylia shouldn't scale but here's reasonings and counters(feel free to debate this)

Demise-(Described as King of Demons and should likely be placed above Majora,While he would be on the same level to the Complete Triforce it wouldn't be an outlier as Demise wants the Triforce for it's wishing and RW abilities to rule the realm and not it's AP,and no Malladus would not scale as Majora and Malladus are in 2 separate timelines)

Counter:Just because he's stated as "king of demons" doesn't mean he is the strongest.That would be like saying that the King of Hyrule is stronger than Link because he is a "King".

Hylia-(Fought and contended with Demise.Also wouldn't be an outleir as Hylia gave up her divine power to use the Triforce's wishing abilities to kill Demise and would likely be comparable to the Triforce in power but not in terms of abilities and hax which Hylia wanted to use from the Triforce to kill Demise.)

Counter:Demise as stated above in the previous counter is not comparable to Majora which wouldn't scale to Hylia.

Who wouldn't scale and their reasonings and debunking of more Outliers:

Triforce of Power Ganondorf-(He wouldn't scale as stated by Hyrule Historia that Link needed the FD mask to defeat Majora it's even stated in his profile.The FD mask is unknown and not really connected to the main lore of most of the games so it would scale to 3-A and nothing shows TOP Ganondorf is comparable to Majora,FD Mask or Hylia and Demise for that matter.So by feats TOP Ganondorf would be far below those stated above)

Separate Triforce Pieces-(The Triforce is obviously more powerful when whole.This is also not an outlier as the power and abilities of the pieces alone are far different than that of the Full Triforce.Individually they're around Star Level but when combined and using scaling from Majora as the Full Triforce,it would be of Universe Level.

•Welp,that about wraps up this Revision Thank God......

So we can forget about the Space Time stuff?Anyway I'am in support as this debunks the counter against Majora creating Termina.This just adds more to the massive reason as to why 3-A Zelda should happen.I'll see where this goes.

Yes the space time quote is merely support and not my actual basis for the evidence and I agree can come off a bit vague (not to me but I can understand that it is not that solid)

The main point: is that Majora created Termina which has been stated as an alternate Universe along with a quote saying he affected everything in it(that's also stated in the same quote calling it a parallel universe).Affecting everything in the parallel Universe/also creating Termina would at least be a 4-A feat due to the many stars in the sky or a Universe feat due to the statements of Termina being a parallel Universe.To top that off we have not contradicting statements or outliers.That's why Im advocating for this upgrade quite a bit.

Just gonna sit here waiting for the eventual storm to forget the very foundation of logic and find any means to make this feat High 4-C or make the sky an illusion, or hell, just make this feat somehow non-canon. Your worlds a fantasy btw and yes I have gone insane from the counter arguments I've seen in these threads.

Yeah,I assume you support from last thread? And your right there will always be some argument to counter upgrading TLOZ no matter how ridiculous it is.All I can do is hope they can see the info layed out and no bias is introduced to this upgrade.

Yes I support it. Now excuse me as I sit in this fire waiting for this house to burn.

Gonna be keeping close tabs on this.

GiverOfThePeace said:

Yes I support it. Now excuse me as I sit in this fire waiting for this house to burn.

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Ganon yeets thread into the Dark World

Wtf, what did i miss?

New info on massive Zelda revisions with Majora creating Termina

2 suppourt so far and Trforce may come on soon and I know he supports this as well.Ill ask more peeps for input.

Yeah, this seems fine.

Good,so can we also all agree this wouldn't scale to Demise or Hylia?

Support:3(Neon,Giver,Triforce)

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More I believe will becoming in for support as I messaged more peeps that supported this previously.

Yeah,Demise and Hylia wouldn't scale as stated above

And to add that Majora at least has the destructive power to destroy Termina as his death caused the destruction of Termina which would be of Universe size.That also implies Majora created the realm as it was destroyed shortly after his death as stated above.

Yes, this is far better than the previous thread; I think 4-A seems alright. Still think 3-A or higher is a stretch, but not the main point. But starry skies exist so Majora creating the realm of Termina sounds plausible.

If the starry skies exist then 4-A seems fine at least. I'll wait for more input before I agree to 3-A.

"Just gonna sit here waiting for the eventual storm to forget the very foundation of logic and find any means to make this feat High 4-C or make the sky an illusion, or hell, just make this feat somehow non-canon. Your worlds a fantasy btw and yes I have gone insane from the counter arguments I've seen in these threads."

This isn't condescending or confrontational at all...

I'll follow this and wait for more arguments, but 4-A looks fineish.

Termina's Sky very much isn't a illusion because aliens. Just gonna bring that up. And if something says it's a universe, then it's 3-A, not 4-A. I'll still remain neutral on this entire thing. Whether it's legit or not, I don't like the idea that Majora creates Termina. Aside from the fact that it rips off Link's Awakening with that, it completely destroys the happy ending at the end of the game if it disappears with the end of Majora. You stopped the moon for nothing.

So, you are tying to place Majora at 3-A is that what this is about?

4-A seems fine I see people suggesting it, but that would apply only if Triforce was stronger than Majora

BTW is still highly disagree with scaling ALTTP Link with TF Ganon, it should be PIS deffo

I'm just saying that if it's accepted, and I'm not saying it will be, Termina being said to be a parallel universe verbatim is 3-A, not 4-A.

I'm more saying this is the one Zelda revision I don't want to accept, whether it's right or not, as it completely destroys the greatness of Majora's Mask.

Whether it makes Majora's greatness go away is irrelevant, the thing we want is accuracy.

I'm in agreement with upgrading MM to whatever extent is suggested as long as it's still well below the Triforce, it has to be, no one in the series can be equal to the Triforce, except for those that possess it.

Majora is very much inferior to the Triforce. That much is undoubtably. Anything and everything that's not the Golden Goddesses (and ALTTP Link) are inferior to the Triforce.

Yes, Majora's feat in the HE is 3-A. Majora made a universe in HE. That much is undoubtable. I guess I have to accept this.

Majora being 3-A would by default not only the Triforce, Link and Ganon higher, but perhaps even the Godessess.

This is a problem, there are defined superiority levels in Zelda that are basic for the tiering to work, 3-A Majora is bound to **** up the tiering, I'm not completely sold on it, but lower than that could work

I still think it might be too vague for 3-A, but at best; it could be something like At least 4-A, possibly 3-A. And yes, it will very well upgrade the Complete Triforce, ALttP Link, Composite Link, ect.

even with 4-A Majora you have to upgrade the Triforce, that's a given

Majora doesn't change anything more than anything else currently. It doesn't change the Goddesses at all.

"Parallel universe" isn't vague.

Godessess>>>>>>>>>>>>>Triforce>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Majora>>Triforce piece

These things need to be in this very power order at all times, if not, one most go higher if a lower one exceeds it

Goddesses are tier 2. They're infinitely above the Triforce.

They barely Low Multiversal, and I Don't think they are that powerful at all, they should prolly be just Multi Universal

That's...the same thing though.

no it isn't lmao

Low Multiversal and Multi Universal are the same thing. They're both 2-C.

since when was that a thing? there used to be '''multi universal''' and '''Low multiversal''' as separate ratings

Low 2-C alone is immeasurably above 3-A, and 2-C even baseline is unknowingly above Low 2-C.

Not really. Multi-Universal got replaced with Low Multiversal a couple months ago. There was no Low Multiversal before then. There was just Multiversal, Multiversal+, and High Multiversal+

Low Multiverse level was never a thing until we removed Multi-Universe level appeared and replaced it last year.

I always thought multi-universal sounded pretty dumb because it's the same thing as multiversal (more than one universe).

Low multiversal makes a lot more sense.

We're off topic

someone link me that shit, I needz to know

Also my point was you can't have 3-A majora unless triforce is even higher than that