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God of War: Norse Pantheon Revisions

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This is a long overdue upgrade to the massive misunderstanding of the game's actual cosmology and what the feats that currently scale everyone to tier 6 entail.

Introductio
As I thoroughly explained in my cosmology blog for 2018 God of War, the existence of multiple pantheons does not contradict the scale of the new feats due to how it is explained to work, the Nine Realms are each alternate realities lying within the same physical space, but with each having different flows of time, and the World Tree, Yggdrasil, holds up the Nine Realms within its branches.

Currently, our profiles treat shaking the realms as a High 6-A feat, which is laughably wrong and ignores the actual cosmology established between each realm, and acts as if the nine realms are all just neighbouring, really large countries. We literally multiply the yield of world shaking by nine to get this result. This needs to go immediately.

Feats
Let's take a look at the actual feats with the knowledge that the realms are being treated incorrectly, shall we?

This is a blatantly Tier 2 feat with the cosmology of each of the realms in mind.

If the former feat was questionable, this one is a blatant, in-your-face feat.

Self-explanatory feat.

  • Ymir and Odin's fight creating a flood that threatened to wipe out all of creation and the realms themselves.
Mimir states that the flood endangered the whole of creation across all realms, up until the surviving giants found the new realm of Jotunheim and thrived.

  • Surtr's sword leads to the destruction and eventual rebirth of all the Nine Realms.
Mimir states that Surtr's sword is prophesized to lead to the epicenter of Ragnarok. When he is struck down by Thor and Odin, while in his dying state, he strikes a blow with his sword which destroys Asgard, as well as leaves the whole world to be reborn anew. The context of "the world" is clarified by the triptych prophecies of Ragnarok, which refer to Surtr's actions as "the death and rebirth of the universe".

As should be obvious, "the universe" in this context is a collective reference to all the Nine Realms, since those are what compose the World Tree. They are officially collectively referred to as "the Norse Universe" in at least three separate times. Likewise, Ragnarok is referred to as the destruction of all nine realms multiple times throughout the game, so the precedent is set there.

Conclusion
Overall, the feats here paint a clear picture that our profiles for the new God of War game are simply...wrong, and should be upgraded to reflect the actual cosmology portrayed by the games instead.

These feats do not scale to any of the Greek incarnations in any shape. We will have to disregard the statements regarding Kratos's strength lowering since then due to the sheer difference in raw feats portrayed here.

I consulted multiple people before making this thread in order to evaluate my original Google Drive blog draft.

Overall, everyone who is currently scaled to Thor and the World Serpent would go from High 6-A to 2-C.

Support: Mr. Bambu, Glassman, The real cal howard, DarkDragonMedeus, Ultima Reality, Assaltwaffle, First Witch, Dragonmasterxyz, Kaltias, Wokistan, Crimson, Hellbeast1, HI3 or bust, ParadoxIndifferent, WindGodAcheron, Andika CL atmadja, Nedge, Darkmon CS, Paul Frank, CrimsonStarFallen, EmperorRorepme, KLOL046, KratosSolosTheDBUniverse, Sayo Yasuda, TheHadouCyberspaceWitch, DMUA, Darkanine, Xtasympethamine, Zenkaibattery, The mysterious man, Seed, Rebuble Uselet, Giygas3

Disagree: Matthew Schroeder, Shadow999, WeeklyBattles, Numberguy, Kiryu, Ognunabali, Apex

Neutral: TheCS2 (considering both sides), Dark649 (agrees with the blog but is neutral on the feats), Dargoo Faust, Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot, LordGriffin
 
I want my tier 2 Greek pantheon too dammit!

Yeah this makes sense, I'm all for the Norse gods and current Kratos being 2-C.
 
Also, let's please be civil in this thread, people. I know this thread will end up creating insult wars and I came in fully prepared to try and set up an environment composed of civil debates only.
 
Kepekley23 said:
Darkmon cns said:
Will this scale backwords to the greek pantheon?
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No. Feats are vastly different in scale.
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But shouldn't kratos himself be enough of a connecting thread to at least scale Zeus? After all he was thought to be weaker before.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
I heavily disagree with this and I pray this ain't serious.
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It is 100% serious. Multiple staff members and admins agreed in private, in fact, as you can see by the list.
 
I completely agree with Kep in all forms and I in fact provided some of these scans in his blog. Ready to fight alongside him to get this accepted at any time, and I'm not the only one either.
 
Let's go over one feat at a time.

Thor's first fight with the World Serpent could be felt from all the realms.

"This is a blatantly Tier 2 feat with the cosmology of each of the realms in mind."

No, it isn't. A fight being felt across multiple earth-sized realms which in fact inhabit the exact same physical space merely separate by dimensional phases is not Tier 2. It's not quantifiable in the slightest.

Thor's second fight with the World Serpent is so massive in scale that it actually splinters Yggdrasil itself.

"If the former feat was questionable, this one is a blatant, in-your-face feat."

Except that we don't know how much of the Yggdrasil was damaged, how severely it was damaged, nor exactly what it entails. The notion that Yggdrasil physically holds nine universes is unsupported by the actual games. It is a major point in fact that the realms are separated by layers but composed of the same physical space, which is one planet at best. Even if all of Yggdrasil was destroyed, which we don't know as the feat happens in the future, it would at best be a 5-B feat.

Ymir's body being the source of everything

"Self-explanatory feat."

Except a major theme of the New God of War is how unreliable the myths and boasts of the Gods are. Since every mythology is simultaneously true, the notion that Ymir is the source of everything should be taken to mean that his body was used to build the realms, physical places, planets. Which are actually just one physical space. It has absolutely nothing to do with using his body to create space-time on a multiversal scale. The fact that the creation myth is so literal as to say that specific body parts became different parts of the world like the mountains, the seas and the skies show that.

Ymir and Odin's fight creating a flood that threatened to wipe out all of creation and the realms themselves.

"Mimir states that the flood endangered the whole of creation across all realms, up until the surviving giants found the new realm of Jotunheim and thrived."

This one shouldn't be explained. You're talking about a flood, a literal flooding of water, and saying that is is Multi-Universal. I am sorry, but that would entail water which would not only flood every cubic centimeter of the universe, but also destroy space and time itself, and we know for a fact that didn't happen. IT simply flooded the nine realms, and even then arguably not all of them. Some giants survived the flooding on a boat. That alone shows that it's not 2-C as you claim.

Surtr's sword leads to the destruction and eventual rebirth of all the Nine Realms.

Literally a feat which has never happened in-verse and all we have so far are statements. And again, the size of the Nine Realms aren't taken into account. They aren't universes in each right.
 
So I am hoping EVERYONE can avoid these things.

-Confrontational comments.

-Personal Attacks

-Accusing one of Trolling

-Trying to piss one another off

-Trying to find the smallest harsh comment in order to report a user on

Stay respectful and try and debate like normal people. Thank you and good luck.
 
Worth pointing out the way some of these legends are presented in game involve characters literally reading off what are in-universe mythic murals in real time, and Kratos scoffing at them. We are presented no empircal evidence over the validity of 90% of these myths. And even then a lot of them indicate a cosmology which in no way, shape or form follows real world scientifical paradigms.

Such as:

  • Moon and sun being literal people in flying chariots chased by hungry wolves
  • Stars being embers that flew from the forges of Muspellheim into the skies above (Also evidence that all realms share the same skies and stars)
  • Worth noting that the later is dismissed as being merely "possible" and not a definite fact in the game itself by the man who tells the tale.
 
Because we got caught up on it, sadly. But I will reply to him in this thread directly when we finish.
 
i agree with kep, Actually dev already intended to make the game epic according to many interview, but the only problem they have is "How the hell we animated this??"
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
That's not an argument in the slightest, I'm sorry?
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When we're actually done on Discord I'll reply to what you have said so ar. Unless you want me to reply to both arguments at once in both mediums.
 
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