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Alright, so the God Tiers in Fairy Tail have always been a huge point of contention, for everyone in the site, we have discussed it before and for some reason it hasn't been dealt with yet, even a year after the topic was initially brought up, people have been unsatisfied with the results he have done, and they keep trying to revise the ratings, and for some reason, no one can come to an agreement, these constant revisions have made the two most dedicated Fairy Tail Admins abandon the verse as a whole, I've suggested compromise and yet still, people don't wish to, so I'm reaching out to Staff Members to settle this, FOR THE LAST TIME EVER, and then I suggest a ban on the topic, because this is the 5th Time we're doing this discussion
Previous Thread: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2560747
Here are the current arguments
Agree with Scaling to Etherio
The basic idea is that the Fundamental Laws of Fairy Tail's Magic is that having a higher magic power equates to being stronger than before, whenever anyone in Fairy Tail freaks out about someone's strength, they say, how can they have this much magic power or I can't believe this level of magic power, and said person are always far stronger, then, With Second Origin, it increases your container of Magic Power and that gives you a power boost that allows you to be far stronger than you were before, point is, since the beginning of the series, having more magic power makes you stronger. Fairy Heart is described as the Pinnacle of All Magic and is stated to be capable of firing Etherion, which is High 6-B+, and since Fairy Heart is an energy source and has enough energy to fire Etherion at least once, it has enough energy on it's own to have High 6-B+ power. The Space Between Time is described as a incredibly power magic source, that has so much magic power, it beggars the imagination, implying it's far above anything else in the verse, which would mean it has more magic than Etherion and that means it should scale above it. Since Zeref absorbs the power of Fairy Heart and also uses the power of The Space Between Time both for offense and defense, then he should scale due to having more magic power then Etherion. As well Acnologia absorbs the Space Between Time, and should scale as well. As well, the idea of calling Fairy Heart Infinite Power, is just a Hyperbole to emphasize that Fairy Heart is the strongest power in the verse, similarily to The Triforce from Zelda.
With this argument we'd scale these Characters to High 6-B+ or leave them as they are.
Disagree with Scaling to Etherio
The basic idea is that the characters did get stronger after absorbing The Space Between Time, just not comparable to Etherion. "Fairy Heart is literally a storage of infinite magic. That's it. Nothing else. It just holds magic. It has no AP." Fairy Heart is not able to fire Etherion. Etherion is literally a weapon that needs magic to fuel it. Fairy Heart could supply it. To quote Makarov's words: "Imagine losing control of an Etherion with an infinite power supply..." Etherion and the power supply are separated, they are not one of the same. Fairy Heart is the infinite power supply that could fuel the Etherion to do it's damage. Basically Etherion is the gun and Fairy Heart are the bullets. Zeref having Fairy Heart does not give him Etherion's AP. He literally isn't able to output that amount of magic since he doesn't have the means to do so. Mavis hypothesized that this could be used to defeat Acnologia; however, we literally have no feats nor anything else that indicates Acnologia could survive or no-sell the blast. It's entirely speculation and nothing says he could. Space Between Time is nearly the same as Fairy Heart as in both are storages of magic.
There are only two differences between the two:
1) The Space Between Time is not an infinite supply like Fairy Heart.
2) The Space Between Time is solely Time Magic.
The Space Between Time is a storage of magic as well. It doesn't have an AP either and Acnologia couldn't even properly control it. The Space Between Time literally has no connection to Etherion. They're never once said in the same chapters or volume even. Same for Zeref and Natsu. Nothing puts either of them at 6-B as they have no connection to Etherion's 6-B rating.
With this argument we'd scale these Characters to far above High 6-C
A Compromise (My Suggestion)
Both sides won't change their mind, and while I'm on the side of agreeing with scaling to Etherion, I can acknowledge both sides have good points, and that both interpretations of the story are correct in their own logic, the issue is, that this is a big point of contestance, so the compromise is that we go with an "At least High 6-C, Possibly High 6-B". It would be better for literally everyone, compromising is a good strategy for dealing with these kind've vague senarios. both sides are saying, I don't wanna compromises because the other side is factually wrong, but we're talking about something that can be interpreted in multiple ways. How about we all decide that maybe we can try to come to a solution together instead of doing this whole my way or the highway routine. The revisions were changed to High 6-B before on a vote several times, but is that all were gonna do now, every few months take votes from new groups and random people, and see which side is the majority, that's a bad way of doing this that results in having to talk about this topic so much, regardless of the fact that there are some who are voting without looking for actual info, point is, I believe we should all make some concessions and compromise. However there are those who don't wish to compromise at all.
Final Comments
This is a thread for the Staff Members Primarily, however people such as Me, Imade, Rin The Dragon Empress, Captain Torch, 1997KD, and others who were a big part of the initial changes and the previous thread can participate in small things, such as clarifying statements and arguments, or other important things, however we should not be filling the thread with useless fluff that has already been stated, so those who are just spectators should not be throwing in random comments, and we shouldn't be going in circles, so let's let the Staff Members decide how to handle this and we can settle this peacefully and move on.
Previous Thread: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2560747
Here are the current arguments
Agree with Scaling to Etherio
The basic idea is that the Fundamental Laws of Fairy Tail's Magic is that having a higher magic power equates to being stronger than before, whenever anyone in Fairy Tail freaks out about someone's strength, they say, how can they have this much magic power or I can't believe this level of magic power, and said person are always far stronger, then, With Second Origin, it increases your container of Magic Power and that gives you a power boost that allows you to be far stronger than you were before, point is, since the beginning of the series, having more magic power makes you stronger. Fairy Heart is described as the Pinnacle of All Magic and is stated to be capable of firing Etherion, which is High 6-B+, and since Fairy Heart is an energy source and has enough energy to fire Etherion at least once, it has enough energy on it's own to have High 6-B+ power. The Space Between Time is described as a incredibly power magic source, that has so much magic power, it beggars the imagination, implying it's far above anything else in the verse, which would mean it has more magic than Etherion and that means it should scale above it. Since Zeref absorbs the power of Fairy Heart and also uses the power of The Space Between Time both for offense and defense, then he should scale due to having more magic power then Etherion. As well Acnologia absorbs the Space Between Time, and should scale as well. As well, the idea of calling Fairy Heart Infinite Power, is just a Hyperbole to emphasize that Fairy Heart is the strongest power in the verse, similarily to The Triforce from Zelda.
With this argument we'd scale these Characters to High 6-B+ or leave them as they are.
Disagree with Scaling to Etherio
The basic idea is that the characters did get stronger after absorbing The Space Between Time, just not comparable to Etherion. "Fairy Heart is literally a storage of infinite magic. That's it. Nothing else. It just holds magic. It has no AP." Fairy Heart is not able to fire Etherion. Etherion is literally a weapon that needs magic to fuel it. Fairy Heart could supply it. To quote Makarov's words: "Imagine losing control of an Etherion with an infinite power supply..." Etherion and the power supply are separated, they are not one of the same. Fairy Heart is the infinite power supply that could fuel the Etherion to do it's damage. Basically Etherion is the gun and Fairy Heart are the bullets. Zeref having Fairy Heart does not give him Etherion's AP. He literally isn't able to output that amount of magic since he doesn't have the means to do so. Mavis hypothesized that this could be used to defeat Acnologia; however, we literally have no feats nor anything else that indicates Acnologia could survive or no-sell the blast. It's entirely speculation and nothing says he could. Space Between Time is nearly the same as Fairy Heart as in both are storages of magic.
There are only two differences between the two:
1) The Space Between Time is not an infinite supply like Fairy Heart.
2) The Space Between Time is solely Time Magic.
The Space Between Time is a storage of magic as well. It doesn't have an AP either and Acnologia couldn't even properly control it. The Space Between Time literally has no connection to Etherion. They're never once said in the same chapters or volume even. Same for Zeref and Natsu. Nothing puts either of them at 6-B as they have no connection to Etherion's 6-B rating.
With this argument we'd scale these Characters to far above High 6-C
A Compromise (My Suggestion)
Both sides won't change their mind, and while I'm on the side of agreeing with scaling to Etherion, I can acknowledge both sides have good points, and that both interpretations of the story are correct in their own logic, the issue is, that this is a big point of contestance, so the compromise is that we go with an "At least High 6-C, Possibly High 6-B". It would be better for literally everyone, compromising is a good strategy for dealing with these kind've vague senarios. both sides are saying, I don't wanna compromises because the other side is factually wrong, but we're talking about something that can be interpreted in multiple ways. How about we all decide that maybe we can try to come to a solution together instead of doing this whole my way or the highway routine. The revisions were changed to High 6-B before on a vote several times, but is that all were gonna do now, every few months take votes from new groups and random people, and see which side is the majority, that's a bad way of doing this that results in having to talk about this topic so much, regardless of the fact that there are some who are voting without looking for actual info, point is, I believe we should all make some concessions and compromise. However there are those who don't wish to compromise at all.
Final Comments
This is a thread for the Staff Members Primarily, however people such as Me, Imade, Rin The Dragon Empress, Captain Torch, 1997KD, and others who were a big part of the initial changes and the previous thread can participate in small things, such as clarifying statements and arguments, or other important things, however we should not be filling the thread with useless fluff that has already been stated, so those who are just spectators should not be throwing in random comments, and we shouldn't be going in circles, so let's let the Staff Members decide how to handle this and we can settle this peacefully and move on.
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