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King Hassan vs Fiamma of the Right

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As I stated at the end of the last thread here's how the fight goes

Hassan pcs his way up to fiamma(I'm assuming fiamma won't detect him) hassan attacks and loses pc holy right auto defends and fiamma smacks

If hassan survives the hit fiamma tps and snipes until he dies
 
no it's not fair cause HR is automatic and always active, he is a glass cannon as much as goku is without ki
 
Good, then King Hassan's curse won't have the holy right protect him when he rolls up with presence concealment. I vote for King Hassan based on his presence concealment letting him bypass The Holy Right, and then he cuts him down with his NP/Skill combo. Normally his curse would reveal the one he is going to attack of his presence, but since Holy Right doesn't work based on Fiamma's knowledge it still won't let Holy Right stop him before the ritual is used. For these reasons, I vote for Hassan
 
how would it bypass it again ? HR is still part of him it would still locate the treat, u can think of it as an arm with some a basic ai on it, it does as fiamma wants and can auto detect danger and eliminates them if deemed so

and it would still work as he is making the attack (obv knowledge is transmitted from fiamma to the arm and vice verse) just the automatic defense can work without fiamma knowing or giving input the only thing fiamma can control is the ammount of power used by his power as it will always be just enough to defend or attack ( his higher form loses some of this restriction but not all)
 
No hassan loses pc the instant he attacks and so hr would defend even if he didn't lose pc it would likely still defend

Ontop of this fiamma can indeed actively use holy right for other purposes then just smacking i.e teleportation defense etc
 
Because even if the arm goes "damn, my guy is about to be attacked" it couldn't distinguish from where. Also, scans of it working on a threat that only Fiamma knew about
 
Paul Frank said:
No hassan loses pc the instant he attacks and so hr would defend even if he didn't lose pc it would likely still defend
Ontop of this fiamma can indeed actively use holy right for other purposes then just smacking i.e teleportation defense etc
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No. King Hassan's curse only reveals to his targets that they are about to be attacked, but that does not mean he is completely revealed
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
Because even if the arm goes "damn, my guy is about to be attacked" it couldn't distinguish from where. Also, scans of it working on a threat that only Fiamma knew about
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it's literally his arm he can move it has he wants but it can also act on his own if needed it's like saying u can't defend ur self cause the knowledge in your brain not in your arm (just so u know his power is "holly right" the third red arm is just a manifestation and it's attached to him and works like a "normal" arm)
 
Considering the fact it worked on a laser about to be fired from a satellite in space that fiamma didn't know was being fired and it retaliated by destroying the satellite and the laser I'm pretty sure it would be able to defend against hassan

Even if it didn't again when hassan actually attacks ir would defend

But even if you say that his target gets notified that they are going to be attacked then that's even worse because fiamma tps to the other side of the world and snipes
 
@Malox

Even if the brain or knowledge or whatever shared the knowledge, the ritual would already be in place and Fiamma's death would be set in stone. Also, him knowing that he is going to be attacked but not from where does not help his auto defense. Teleportation wont protect him because the ritual has already guaranteed his death
 
@Malox

Even if the brain or knowledge or whatever shared the knowledge, the ritual would already be in place and Fiamma's death would be set in stone. Also, him knowing that he is going to be attacked but not from where does not help his auto defense. Teleportation wont protect him because the ritual has already guaranteed his death
 
I think assuming HR wouldn't be able to detect King Hassan is a bit weird. But, speed equalized, it all depends on whether or not HR blasts Hassan before he decapitates Fiamma and/or destroys Holy Right with Azrael.
 
Hr should 100% be able to detect hassan

Also the scenario we have right now is assuming fiamma sits still and does nothing until holy right defends when he would start out by tping and sniping anyway
 
How would he find Gramps though? His PC makes him indistinguishable from the world around him. For all intents and purposes, he doesn't actually exist to pretty much anyone's senses.
 
<Is physically capable of detecting incorporal Angels and demons as well as unnatural phenomena from a planet away

<PC won't be detected by HR

Lol?
 
First of all HR would not care about his position or concealment it would just strike after all he does not need to know where the opponent his or speed or strength

second the premonition will tell him where he is then HR automatic defenses would shut him down
 
BTW just gonna mention that his PC goes down once he mutters the word Azrael before swinging his blade

Also going to point out that responding to really close range attacks that appear without being seen is a cake walk for HR

Hell, its literal Speed justification is reacting to a Lightspeed Lazer from close range the moment it appeared before striking said satalite instantly.

So

PC doesn't work? Fiamma ever so slightly twists his hand, /thread

PC works? Gramps walks up to Fiamma sipping tea, says "Azra-" and gets sliced instantly /thread
 
Btw, Fiamma can also conceal his presence from Othinus. And Holy Right can just go AoE if needed. So the "My guy is going to be killed but I don't know where the attack is coming from" gets negated by the simple fact that it can create AoE explosions or even ignore the concept of "space between the target and Fiamma". Also, the strike isn't necessarily physical. It can literally just cause the target to be destroyed without a force, projectile or physical blow.
 
Fiamma FRA seems about right
 
If by "Descisive" you mean "Fiamma will under absolutely zero circumstances will ever get hit and wins by doing nothing" then sure.

You claim "Stomp" when a To Aru character loses because they can't use their abilities fast enough, but when a To Aru character literally can't be touched, and wins by doing nothing, it's descisive.

Come on man. At least be consistent
 
Okay so, this is a stomp, fiamma will always win, and Hassan's chance to hit a single cut is 0%. Btw, could not he "kill" the third arm of Fiamma using his death manipulation? Having prior knowledge, I mean.
 
If his reactions could hit it he could

But they aren't so Fiamma stsndsbthere and HR does its job
 
Schnee One said:
If by "Descisive" you mean "Fiamma will under absolutely zero circumstances will ever get hit and wins by doing nothing" then sure.
You claim "Stomp" when a To Aru character loses because they can't use their abilities fast enough, but when a To Aru character literally can't be touched, and wins by doing nothing, it's descisive.

Come on man. At least be consistent
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i said this was unfair from the start, just follow the OSSS rules (in the first place shouldn't mod recognize this sort of thread ? )
 
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