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speed equalized who wins
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Ness. Broly is only Mutli Solar system, while Ness is Universal+
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>OP uses DBS's Broly's pic
>Broly's only 4-A
BOI
>Broly's only 4-A
BOI
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Maybe Sharaku doesn't know about DBS Broly
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Fair enough.
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Oh whoops.
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Ok, so this one is quite a tricky one. And with the Earthbound revision right around the corner, it can change a lot of the results.
> Ness lost against Goku but won against Toppo
Well, I shouldn't really make that as an argument. So, Broly resist some paralysis technique from Goku. Though, it ain't psionic energy? So it could possibly work. If not, it isn't the end of the world as Ness also has other PSI attacks other than just paralysis in his disposal. Hypnosis would be a great idea to get away from Broly and then stack up shields to protect himself from the AP gap that Broly has (Though, He shielded the party from Giygas attack. Which I consider changing the dura to "At least" in the revision). So that means physical attacks and Ki blast will be reflected back at Broly and that Ness could just spam Hypnosis, heal, and shield himself with an added attack reflection. Then ends it with PK Flash, with PK Flash omega having the bigger probability of killing with one blow. (Hmm, maybe I should do a Goku vs Ness redux....) Also should mention that Ness has some degree of Precognition and Clairvoyance that just had him predict stuff about his mission and where he would go and what Giygas did. Not sure if that will help, but still Neato.
Space-Time Manipulaton is stuff Ness resist
And paralysis won't be too much of a problem as Ness could heal that status effect.
Though, the revision are still going on for Ness.
> Ness lost against Goku but won against Toppo
Well, I shouldn't really make that as an argument. So, Broly resist some paralysis technique from Goku. Though, it ain't psionic energy? So it could possibly work. If not, it isn't the end of the world as Ness also has other PSI attacks other than just paralysis in his disposal. Hypnosis would be a great idea to get away from Broly and then stack up shields to protect himself from the AP gap that Broly has (Though, He shielded the party from Giygas attack. Which I consider changing the dura to "At least" in the revision). So that means physical attacks and Ki blast will be reflected back at Broly and that Ness could just spam Hypnosis, heal, and shield himself with an added attack reflection. Then ends it with PK Flash, with PK Flash omega having the bigger probability of killing with one blow. (Hmm, maybe I should do a Goku vs Ness redux....) Also should mention that Ness has some degree of Precognition and Clairvoyance that just had him predict stuff about his mission and where he would go and what Giygas did. Not sure if that will help, but still Neato.
Space-Time Manipulaton is stuff Ness resist
And paralysis won't be too much of a problem as Ness could heal that status effect.
Though, the revision are still going on for Ness.
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By the way, I am not voting. I kinda want to hear from people that will argue for Broly.
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Broly might be able to copy that shield
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But that shield is psionic energy, not Ki. They are different.
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Doesn't verse equal take care of that?
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Are you allowed to that in battles? I am not really familiar with that.
I don't think it's used in this battle, but you can correct me on that one. It's just speed equal.
I don't think it's used in this battle, but you can correct me on that one. It's just speed equal.
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By SBA the verses are equalized if possible. IDK about PSI's mechanics but if works with some kind of limited gauge and it's inside of every living being in Mother's verse then Broly might be able to replicate Ness's powers.
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Well, Broly won't be pulling a Kirby on Ness then. Because in the prologue of Earthbound Beginnings, a man named George is stated to have been studying the power of PSI for some decades, meaning he didn't or anybody in the verse did not have psionic Powers. In the game, various enemy types—humans, animals, aliens, and even inanimate objects—are able to use PSI, possibly as a result of Giygas's influence. So, yeah.
I need a monster to clobbah that there Broly!
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People don't usually study ki. What is PSI?
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Psionic Energy I guess.
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Or Psychokinesis (PK) in Japan.
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Physic powers? Ki can do a lot of stuff that could be viewed as physics. Teleportation, Telekinesis, mindhax, etc.
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Yes, but they have different definitions.
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Yeah, but DB verse's Ki isn't limited to Chi Manipulation's application but also Mind Manipulation's and for instances even Elemental Manipulation and other stuff.
Just look at Frieza, who has nothing but Ki and can use TK powers and induce Paralysis.
Just look at Frieza, who has nothing but Ki and can use TK powers and induce Paralysis.
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I am aware about that, it's just more on the matter of linguistics and how it's used within the series.
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Yeah, they use it to fire energy blasts but doesn't disprove the fact that Ki has some kind of relationship with Mind Manipulation.
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Regardless, Ness starts off with Hypnosis and then stacking up shields (Precog could give him an advantage) and ends with Flash. What does good ol Broccoli start with?
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Za bump
Forgive my ignorance and stupidity.
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How does the precog work?
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I still feel like Nesss takes it. Broly gets mind-controlled all the time, and Ness has that (right?)
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Actually, this Broly doesn't get mind controlled. It's more of a taser. Electrocuting him would just remind him of that and piss him off even more.
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@Sharaku
Ness's "Mind hax" doesn't function the same way as characters like Mewtwo or Giygas. However, his psychic abilities goes as far to the Low 2-C scale since he was able to create an entire universe with its own space-time in his mind since Magicant is a place that is created to be the representation of one's mind, which is created by the PSI power of the user (Ness also defeated his own Evil side, but I don't know if that really counts as an ability if it is one to begin with). His PSI abilities are pretty good; just a lot of Status effect in general like Paralysis, Hypnosis, PK Flash which includes Confusion, Uncontrollably crying, and the deadly effect being able to one shot. And then there's PK Rockin which is basically a powerful psychokinetic wave, Lifeup for if he's mortally wounded, and Shield which grants Attack reflection. Which that should keep Broly busy.
(What does Broly even start with? Since Ness can just put him to sleep)
His precognition/Clairvoyance is just his mind telling him things that he himself wasn't aware of (as shown after beating his evil side).
Ness's "Mind hax" doesn't function the same way as characters like Mewtwo or Giygas. However, his psychic abilities goes as far to the Low 2-C scale since he was able to create an entire universe with its own space-time in his mind since Magicant is a place that is created to be the representation of one's mind, which is created by the PSI power of the user (Ness also defeated his own Evil side, but I don't know if that really counts as an ability if it is one to begin with). His PSI abilities are pretty good; just a lot of Status effect in general like Paralysis, Hypnosis, PK Flash which includes Confusion, Uncontrollably crying, and the deadly effect being able to one shot. And then there's PK Rockin which is basically a powerful psychokinetic wave, Lifeup for if he's mortally wounded, and Shield which grants Attack reflection. Which that should keep Broly busy.
(What does Broly even start with? Since Ness can just put him to sleep)
His precognition/Clairvoyance is just his mind telling him things that he himself wasn't aware of (as shown after beating his evil side).
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Probably a ki blast since they're starting 4 km away from each other.
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Oof, that won't really do much to Ness. If anything, that gets reflected back.
Ness proceeds to put Broccoli to sleep and spams Flash to end it there because we all know that Broccoli is Ness' greatest enemy Because he's maximum!
Ness proceeds to put Broccoli to sleep and spams Flash to end it there because we all know that Broccoli is Ness' greatest enemy
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Is it instant sleep? How long does it last?
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Okay for one, it says hypnosis doesn't work if the enemy is really smart. Two, Ness hitting Broly would wake him up.
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It's thought based and it usually last a few "turns". But if Ness bashes him, then he would just wake up immediately. However, Ness can just use PK Flash to have more of a probability to one shot.
Or whatever his mind tells him to do.
Or whatever his mind tells him to do.
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The "You can "dodge" if you are smart" thing is getting removed due to being a form of Game mechanics and following other stats in the game.
Again, Ness also has other moves to use with one having a large probability to one shot Broly.
Again, Ness also has other moves to use with one having a large probability to one shot Broly.
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Broly can just dodge PK Flash and then punch Ness. Considering the AP difference, Broly oneshots.
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Like I said, Ness currently going through revisions. While yes, Broly does have the AP, but I don't think he'll be able to one shot Ness if his durability is being able to tank hits from another Above baseline Low 2-C (Giygas). Plus, if he simply punches him, the damage will be reflected back at Broly. Not to mention that Ness could always use Lifeup for whenever he's in the verge of getting stomped on (like with Giygas).
I'm not sure if Broly can "dodge" PK Flash.
I'm not sure if Broly can "dodge" PK Flash.
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LSS1 Broly > SS1 Gogeta >= SS1 Broly > Limit Break Jiren > Full Power Base Jiren > Third UIS Goku >= Beerus > Post-ToP SSB Goku >= Post-ToP SSB Vegeta > Ikari Broly > Hint of true power Jiren > SSBE Vegeta > GoD Toppo > Post-2nd UIS SSBKK Goku > LSS2 Kefla > Second UIS Goku > Post-ToP SSG Goku > Anilaza > Post-2nd UIS SSB Goku > Casual Jiren > First UIS Goku > Infinite Zamasu (Baseline)
The difference between Super Saiyan Gogeta and LSS1 Broly is so big that a Full Power punch from Gogeta on Broly's face did nothing to him.
In Smash Bros, it shows that PK Flash is a ball of light.
The difference between Super Saiyan Gogeta and LSS1 Broly is so big that a Full Power punch from Gogeta on Broly's face did nothing to him.
In Smash Bros, it shows that PK Flash is a ball of light.
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The difference is big enough that Broly would either kill or knock out Ness in a single blow since he's barely above someone that's above baseline.
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Cool, can one of them attack through time (excluding Zamasu since it becomes 2-C over time) and destroy a timeline one at a time? Or effortlessly destroy the universe?
You see, I know the AP difference. It's just that Ness has better durability as oppose to AP difference.
Smash bros is n o n c a n o n
They can be inconsistent with how moves work, because last time I checked, Ness doesn't know how to use PK Starstorm. Plus, the description within smash bros is different than the one in Earthbound. "It generates glorious rays that have a high probability of destroying most of the enemies on the scene in a single strike (40%). It still has a chance to make the enemies cry (35%), feel strange (10%), or become numb (15%). - Earthbound " Of course, it targets all enemies.
You see, I know the AP difference. It's just that Ness has better durability as oppose to AP difference.
Smash bros is n o n c a n o n
They can be inconsistent with how moves work, because last time I checked, Ness doesn't know how to use PK Starstorm. Plus, the description within smash bros is different than the one in Earthbound. "It generates glorious rays that have a high probability of destroying most of the enemies on the scene in a single strike (40%). It still has a chance to make the enemies cry (35%), feel strange (10%), or become numb (15%). - Earthbound " Of course, it targets all enemies.
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They all can, that's why they have that tier.
But that's still a projectile. "Generates glorious rays" Broly can just fly away from these.
But that's still a projectile. "Generates glorious rays" Broly can just fly away from these.
