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Devourer (Epic Battle Fantasy 5) revision

Kaltias

Kaltias

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Base Devourer should be Low 2-C. There is no evidence that he is affecting Snowflake's universe, and the size of the glitch worlds is unknown.

Evidence for Low 2-C can be found here. Devourer also scales above the Cosmic Gigalith who was threatening to destroy the timeline (Overtime however).

After reaching the player's higher dimension he should be High 2-A. The player does see the entire EBF reality as nothing more than a game (This includes at least two universes, the main one and Snowflake's), and Devourer does refer to the place where they live as "Higher dimension". The justification should be changed however, the Devourer doesn't manipulate the higher dimension at all, he only reached it.

Not 100% sure on the latter so i'd like more input.

Also his durability scales from his AP as he can fight the EBF party, which scales from him, and tank attacks from them.

Speed
There is no evidence of immeasurable speed. He should be MFTL+ via scaling above everyone prior to EBF5.

Intelligence
He has 0 evidence of being nigh-omniscent.

Lifting strenght
The feat on the profile was performed via an energy beam, not physical strenght. It also looks more like Earth's GBE not being completely overpowered and the two halves slamming back against each other on their own.

Abilities
He is missing Healing (The smaller eyes can do that), and Statistics Amplification (The smaller eyes can also do that).

I haven't found anything justifyng type 5 immortality.

His base form has Low- Mid regen (Can regrow tentacles), afterr reaching the Player's Dimension, he should have Low-Godly (He will eventually reform from his data)
 
Given both the "sees the world as fiction" and "higher dimension", the High 2-A stuff seems fine.

I did find the sudden 2-A to be fishy, especially since it wasn't you who did the profile.
 
I mean, it's clear the place he goes to is 5-D but does that actually make him High 2-A?

To be High 2-A you actually have to be able to affect a 5 dimensional reality in a meaningful way, just reaching it shouldn't be enough. And given the scans in Kal's blog it doesn't really seem like anything more than entering a 5-D realm.

@Kal Btw, I may be missing context but do some of the scans imply Law Manipulation for Devourer?
 
High 2-A would be mostly because after reforming he'd be "real" for the player, who transcends the EBF multiverse.

I don't think that we give law manip for stuff like creating the basic laws of the universe

@Kep

Sure
 
I mean "entering a higher realm" has connotations of being on the same level as said realm, as in ascending to it. Unless he literally just went there an nothing happened, it should still be legit.
 
@Saikou From what I could tell from the scans it wasn't as much ascending to a higher realm as it was going to a higher realm. Tho I guess High 2-A for after he reforms should be fine.

@Kal I always thought it was because creators aren't normally noted to have put the laws of the universe in place. But if it really isn't considered as such then never mind.
 
Well i'm not 100% sure if we give it for putting laws in place or not, but I can say for certain that Devourer can't change preexisting laws, otherwise this wouldn't really make any sense
 
I've been so distracted lately I haven't even finished the first dungeon yet

I'm totally for the Low 2-C stuff. Not sure on the High 2-A stuff though.
 
I'll have to check with Matt Roszak on Devourer's influence on Snowflake's universe (though I perfectly understand the iffiness on the glitch dimensions). However, to quote the Devourer himself...

"I've manipulated the pixels on your screen and the sounds from your speakers..."

Those aren't actually in-game objects, so Devourer was definitely referring to the player's own stuff.

As for durability, well, the reason why I had him listed as "Unknown" is, well, basically...

Akron can be killed by the EBF party.

Devourer can be killed by the EBF party.

Godcat cannot be killed by the EBF party. She only was defeated because Godcat saw the strength in humanity and left the battle.

It's quite a hodge-podge even for an avid EBF player like myself. Blame the game's logic (or lack thereof).

To help with the scaling from the lower end of the scale, the way I'd put it, "Word of God" (not God as in Matt Roszak, God as in the golden cat) states that Devourer is an entity from another multiverse, though God is implied to be weaker than Devourer despite God being a superboss. A little iffy if you ask me, but EBF hardly relies on logic, so I'll let the game do its thing. This does scale into the high-end as well, for this would put the world the player sees as two MULTIVERSES rather than just two universes. I had it as 2-A instead of High 2-A because of my iffiness on the scale of that.

As for scaling from Cosmic Gigalith, well, on one hand, it was implied that the Cosmic Gigalith alone caused the Devourer-summoning wormhole while in this image...

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It was implied that it was from the combined efforts of the Gigalith and the Cosmic Monoliths. Why the game would readily contradict itself so soon is beyond me.

Speed, well... High-End Devourer went into a higher dimension. How can you measure distance from that? There's a good reason why there's an Immesurable rating in the Speed article.

Technically, I got Nigh-Omniscience from a presumably nigh-omniscient creation of the Devourer (Godcat). Godcat's profile only says Nigh-Omniscience is possible, not definitive, though Devourer likely can recall the world's 1st incarnation (EBF1-3) and 3rd incarnation (EBF4) considering his statements on Akron and Godcat, though the past games are very contradictory if you ask me.

Hey, don't blame me. This is the first time I or probably anyone in the entire Vs Debate scene has ever seen planet-destruction just destroy and put Earth back together like that. Granted, one can calculate the earth's splitting to get the speed of Earth's halves as they flew apart, but all that would really do is raise more questions as to how the Earth would just get put back together if KE>GBE.

Yeah, Healing, Statistics Amplification, and Regenerationn (Low-Mid for Low-End Devourer; Low-Godly for High-End Devourer) were all abilities I've missed yet couldn't edit in. I will point out, however, what justifies as Type-5 Immortality. Type-5 Immortality is defined as follows...

"Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed."

In the Devourer's case, well, technically "conventional means" in EBF's world is largely plot-convenience: a variety of skills and spells that the player characters get from "buying" them with AP. Even then, EBF4 has shown that the skills Matt and the gang learned are conventional abilities since Godcat keeps afterimage-dodging everything Matt and the gang throw at her. As for traditional killing, well, throughout the entire series, every enemy and boss is straight-up killed or blown up by Matt and the gang beating the crap out of them with whacks and spells, perhaps summons here and there, yet the Devourer technically didn't die from the battle against him. Instead, he just becomes data.

If that doesn't qualify for Type-5 Immortality, I dunno what does.
 
I'll have to check with Matt Roszak on Devourer's influence on Snowflake's universe (though I perfectly understand the iffiness on the glitch dimensions).

We don't use the author's word unless it's at least implied in the original material though, and nothing in the game implies 2-C Devourer

However, to quote the Devourer himself...

"I've manipulated the pixels on your screen and the sounds from your speakers..."

Those aren't actually in-game objects, so Devourer was definitely referring to the player's own stuff.

Yes, that's part of the reality-fiction interaction granting High 2-A

As for durability, well, the reason why I had him listed as "Unknown" is, well, basically...

Akron can be killed by the EBF party.

Devourer can be killed by the EBF party.

Godcat cannot be killed by the EBF party. She only was defeated because Godcat saw the strength in humanity and left the battle.

EBF4 party =/= EBF5 party though.

The entirety of EBF was retconned in EBF5, so it's a different party with different levels of strenght.

To help with the scaling from the lower end of the scale, the way I'd put it, "Word of God" (not God as in Matt Roszak, God as in the golden cat) states that Devourer is an entity from another multiverse, though God is implied to be weaker than Devourer despite God being a superboss. A little iffy if you ask me, but EBF hardly relies on logic, so I'll let the game do its thing. This does scale into the high-end as well, for this would put the world the player sees as two MULTIVERSES rather than just two universes. I had it as 2-A instead of High 2-A because of my iffiness on the scale of that.

Yes, but those multiverses have an unknown size. For all you know one is the EBF + Snowflake's universe, the other one is Devourer's home universe + another one. It isn't extremely impressive in the grand scheme of things.

As for scaling from Cosmic Gigalith, well, on one hand, it was implied that the Cosmic Gigalith alone caused the Devourer-summoning wormhole while in this image...

It was implied that it was from the combined efforts of the Gigalith and the Cosmic Monoliths. Why the game would readily contradict itself so soon is beyond me

Not really? The Devourer says that the monoliths would study you and summon him, but we know for a fact that the Cosmic Gigalith is the one summoning him, the other monoliths only take care of the "studying the threat" part

Speed, well... High-End Devourer went into a higher dimension. How can you measure distance from that? There's a good reason why there's an Immesurable rating in the Speed article.

My bad, i missed the fact that he had two ratings. I suppose it would be fine for his High-End self after he reforms (Prior to that, pretty sure he'd simply be unknown given that he doesn't really move).

His base self should still be MFTL+ though.

Technically, I got Nigh-Omniscience from a presumably nigh-omniscient creation of the Devourer (Godcat). Godcat's profile only says Nigh-Omniscience is possible, not definitive, though Devourer likely can recall the world's 1st incarnation (EBF1-3) and 3rd incarnation (EBF4) considering his statements on Akron and Godcat, though the past games are very contradictory if you ask me.

Godcat is not nigh-omniscient, that was supposed to be removed ages ago. I only forgot to remove it from her powers.

And yes, he can recall past timelines, but that only requires immunity to time paradoxes.

Why the previous games are contradictory?

In the Devourer's case, well, technically "conventional means" in EBF's world is largely plot-convenience: a variety of skills and spells that the player characters get from "buying" them with AP. Even then, EBF4 has shown that the skills Matt and the gang learned are conventional abilities since Godcat keeps afterimage-dodging everything Matt and the gang throw at her. As for traditional killing, well, throughout the entire series, every enemy and boss is straight-up killed or blown up by Matt and the gang beating the crap out of them with whacks and spells, perhaps summons here and there, yet the Devourer technically didn't die from the battle against him. Instead, he just becomes data.

His body did die though, and it was killed through conventional means.

Type 5 would be fine for his data sent into the Player's dimension, but not for the version you fight at the end of the game
 
We don't use the author's word unless it's at least implied in the original material though, and nothing in the game implies 2-C Devourer.

We got a High 2-A Devourer, so that's one sign out of a key few one needs to look for; whether such a thing is acceptable in-bounds. Keyword: "Key few." About the only thing I can find are statements that show that the world that the game itself is in is a simulation (glitch dimension statements) and a statement from Lance about Snowflake's universe...

"The laws of physics seem to apply the same. Perhaps there is nothing to be afraid of - let's investigate!"

Though, small clarification for the glitch dimensions, trying to walk out of those things would put you in an infinite loop, though I'm personally gonna call that a No-Limits Fallacy because there's no story-based purpose for that happening, though the glitch dimensions did seep into the normal universe and corrupt NPCs. However, the final glitch dimension has a name: 54 68 65 20 56 6f 69 64

I put it in a translator and it translates to The Void. I dunno what that's supposed to mean.

All fruitless thoughts, yes, but it at least it shows that "simulation" points at the world itself rather than just a single universe.

Not really? The Devourer says that the monoliths would study you and summon him, but we know for a fact that the Cosmic Gigalith is the one summoning him, the other monoliths only take care of the "studying the threat" part

Ehh... Devourer created the entire Cosmic Monolith army. The EBF5 party only came across the Gigalith at the end of the game, and even then, Lance's troops were studying the Cosmic Monoliths (can't study what you already fully know). It's pretty easy to tell who knows more about the monoliths.

His body did die though, and it was killed through conventional means.

Type 5 would be fine for his data sent into the Player's dimension, but not for the version you fight at the end of the game

Erm, VBW has a weird way of handling death and Regenerationn. The latter implies that the character in question is still alive and can heal him/herself. Regenerationn doesn't exactly apply to dead things; reincarnation handles that. Low-Godly Regenerationn is pretty much as high as we can get when it comes to regenerating from an actual state of being (entire body is annihilated; soul still remains).
 
Uh, pretty sure that Devourer is stated to be in control of the Void in the ending.

I know that Devourer knows more than Lance, but he only said "they'll study the threat and summon me". The Cosmic Gigalith's bestiary info also says that it's the one opening the wormhole.

About immortality, what I mean is that his body can die from normal means. The body of someone with type 5 can't.

His non corporeal data self can't be beaten to death, so it's fine for that version
 
Kaltias said:
Uh, pretty sure that Devourer is stated to be in control of the Void in the ending.
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I don't think Devourer is a glitchy box that everyone is scared of..?
 
Low 2-C and abilities seem fine.

However, I am also unsure about 5D. That seems to refer more to how the devourer is still data in your computer than anything else, especially since it can't really do anything in that state. It is completely unable to affect the player, and judging by what's provided can only idle, for now.

It also specifically states that it manipulated the pixels on our screen to do this, so I'm fairly sure that his "irl form" is the light that reflects off our computer screens into our eyes. Consistent with how he says he's background radiation.

I'd say unknown, but far higher is a safer bet rn.
 
Background radiation is the name of the radiation coming from the "end" of the universe. I think he's referring to that.

High 2-A seems fine, along as nearly everything else.

I'm a bit iffy on Low 2-C, can you explain a bit better the "5th simulation" thing? That seems promising.
 
@Wok

Ok, thanks. Do you think that the player would be 5-D? Not important for Devourer himself, but it's needed for a future revision so might as well discuss it now

@TP

The simulations are the previous games. EBF being a videogame is canon to the setting
 
I'll edit the page when i'm not super tired (aka probably tomorrow)
 
@DeadMause If you can't make constructive comments, don't show up. We've got Fun & Games for a reason boyo.
 
@DeadMause

Just fyi, baseline Low 2-C is quite far above a Saibaman's level. It's the level of Zamasu's strongest form
 
He's doing this on other threads as well

Also you're not gone, odd

Anyway, the absolve seems reasonable from the little I played if EBF5
 
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