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Ippo Makonouchi vs Joe Yabuki

Yojimbo1989

Yojimbo1989

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Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you, the greatest Featherweight Boxing Match of all time and quite possibly the greatest fight of all time period

So for this matchup let's say make this a KO only boxing match, meaing that this is a fight that can only end by knockout, so it's a boxing match with an infinite number of rounds that only ends when another person is knocked out, count out by the ref is also allowed.

We'll also say that the fight takes place at Ippo's natural class, the Featherweight division. Although Joe was a Bantamweight for his career, he started to struggle with the weight in the later part of the story and could have easily moved up to the Featherweight or even the Lightweight division.

Let's also say that neither fighter has had any prep time or has any knowledge about the other and they are at their peak physically (so no punch drunkness for Joe).

Who wins this?
 
KaenDragneel123 said:
Yojimbo1989 said:
KaenDragneel123 said:
Ippo via speedblitzing
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Both these characters are pretty even in terms of speed, certainly not enough for either character to win via speedblitz
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Peak Human vs Faster Than Eye is a serious speedblitz
Probably you should say "Speed Equalized" in the thread
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Actually Joe is ranked as Faster than eye in terms of reaction speed and combat speed and at least peak human in terms of raw agility
 
KaenDragneel123 said:
Personally,IMO Ippo has better stamina and is really durable
(And Ippo already beated Joe, fifth round by KO)
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Did you read Joe's profile? At a relatively early point in the story he beat a whole institute of the Japan's worst delienquents with little effort. He managed to tank blows from a guy capable of knocking out cows with his punches and went 15 rounds with a guy capable of fracturing a human skull (the hardest bone in the human body) with one punch whilst punch drunk

And that computer simulated fight was nothing more than a popularity contest, they didn't give any reasoning as to why Ippo would win
 
KaenDragneel123 said:
Yojimbo1989 said:
KaenDragneel123 said:
Personally,IMO Ippo has better stamina and is really durable
(And Ippo already beated Joe, fifth round by KO)
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Did you read Joe's profile? At a relatively early point in the story he beat a whole institute of the Japan's worst delienquents with little effort. He managed to tank blows from a guy capable of knocking out cows with his punches and went 15 rounds with a guy capable of fracturing a human skull (the hardest bone in the human body) with one punch whilst punch drunk
And that computer simulated fight was nothing more than a popularity contest, they didn't give any reasoning as to why Ippo would win
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So..
Now give my opinion is wrong?

Ok, f*ck

Ippo is way better though
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I'm not saying to give your opinion is wrong, but saying things like "Ippo is faster" or more durable is unfounded, especially given the data on Joe
 
Mikoto Misaka231 said:
Gonna go with Ippo on this one.

That kid has guts and experience on being persistent, even while fighting sightly faster opponents.
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Well, you'd be hard-pressed to find someone with more guts than Joe, his fight with Jose Mendoza proves that. Also both Joe and Ippo are not that differerent in terms of speed, but Joe has better timing and counter-punching abilities. Not only have counter punchers been shown to be Ippo's Achilles Heel in the past (Sawamura and the most recent fight with Gonzales), timing has the ability to nullify speed and power in boxing.
 
For the record I'm siding with Joe for the following reasons. In terms of straight up stats these two are pretty well matched. Strength I believe goes to Joe via his feats of throwing several people larger than himself several metres and punching someone with enough force to send him flying and smash a door off its hinges. More significantly is that all these feats happened very early in the story before his peak and he did them at a lighter weight than Ippo.

In terms of speed, again it's quite close, with a slight edge going to Ippo, not so much for his speed, more for his fighting style i.e. the way he closes the distance and how he throws punches frantically, however Joe is no slouch in the speed department and has the timing to help him.

For durability, it definitely goes to Joe for being able to tank blows from a man capable of knocking out cows with his punches and for going 15 rounds against a man capable of fracturing a human skull with a single punch despite being severely affected by punch-drunkeness at the time.

With the stats being as close as this, it could go either way. However the thing that seals the deal for Joe is his natural talent and fighting spirit. While Ippo is very determined, he mostly gets by on hard work. Joe conversely is not only one that works hard, he also is capable of grasping most techniques quickly and adapting to various changing situations. Not to mention that Joe's fighting spirit is astronomical, his drive to fight has enabled him to defy all odds and push himself further than what any person could ever hope to achieve. There's no question then in a contest of wills that Joe wins
 
From what I have seen of Joe Yabuki, Ippo wins this, if ever so slightly. Back when I saw him flip his opponent for the first time was when I knew what route the manga was taking. Yes, Joe took on an opponent who can knock out cows, but Takamura took on and beat a bear with his bare hands (get the pun?). They were also smashing trees and nailing large iron spikes into the side of a hill. Ippo is also extremely durable, very much so. And tenacious.

Simply put, Ippo wins.
 
Tivanenk said:
From what I have seen of Joe Yabuki, Ippo wins this, if ever so slightly. Back when I saw him flip his opponent for the first time was when I knew what route the manga was taking. Yes, Joe took on an opponent who can knock out cows, but Takamura took on and beat a bear with his bare hands (get the pun?). They were also smashing trees and nailing large iron spikes into the side of a hill. Ippo is also extremely durable, very much so. And tenacious.
Simply put, Ippo wins.
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Takamura knocked out the bear, not Ippo. To my knowledge Ippo has never smashed a tree. He knocked several logs into the side of a hill with a hammer. Joe is also very durable, he took on a guy who could fracture a peak human athlete's skull with a single punch for 15 rounds (tanking blow after blow) whilst severly punch drunk. As for the tenacity, Joe's fighting spirit defies all forms of logic, his refusal to give up against the world champion, is proof of that. Not to mention that Ippo has shown himself to be weak against counter punchers. Joe is excellent with counters, plus he was shown to struggle with the bantamweight weight limit later on in the story and could have easily moved to Featherweight or Lightweight class easily (which would have made him hit even harder)
 
Weak against counter pounchers? He faced Sawamura and was fine for the most part. Granted, Sawamura isn't exactly on Joe's level, but Ippo has shown that he can take on counter pounchers. Some problems, yes, but he can fight them.
 
Tivanenk said:
Weak against counter pounchers? He faced Sawamura and was fine for the most part. Granted, Sawamura isn't exactly on Joe's level, but Ippo has shown that he can take on counter pounchers. Some problems, yes, but he can fight them.
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Not just Sawamura, but also his most recent fight against Gonzales
 
I'd say Gonzales is even better than Joe when it comes to that, considering he took on the world champ twice. And Ippo gave him some trouble.
 
Tivanenk said:
I'd say Gonzales is even better than Joe when it comes to that, considering he took on the world champ twice. And Ippo gave him some trouble.
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The main point is that Ippo has struggled against counter punchers. Plus it's questionable whether or not Gonzales is better than Joe at counter punching. Since Joe went the full distance with the world champion, who was unbeaten and considered P4P the best fighter in the world (and very nearly beat him on top of that). He also managed to land the Triple Cross Counter (an extremely difficult technique to pull off) on Mendoza, despite being punch drunk and being completely blind in one eye. And in just about every fight Joe had some handicap against him. In the later part of his career Joe began to struggle with the weight and could have easily moved up to Featherweight class, which would have enabled him to hit even harder. Factoring the fact that Joe is far more naturally talented than Ippo and just as tenacious if not more so, then Joe wins
 
If anyone else wants to comment on this match then please read Joe's profile and if possible the manga of both characters first
 
So far I count it as being 2-2 however, for the two on Ippo's side I think I gave reasonable counter arguments.

Any other opinions?
 
I had recently reread Ashita no Joe and would change my opinion to Joe as even early in the manga they were punching out bulls.
 
And Joe managed to counter the utterly unpredictable Harimau, whilst punch drunk. Ippo's free form Dempsey roll would be child's play by comparison
 
Exactly and even if it were Joe countered Harimau who threw punches from angles that were utterly insane, angles that Ippo could never hope to replicate even with the free form Dempsey roll.

Joe did this whilst suffering from punch-drunkeness not to mention
 
Joe wins, he performed superhuman feats before even arriving at his peak, let's not forget that Joe has fought deadlier people and has more willpower than Ippo, his fight againts Mendoza proves that.
 
I think this is a tough fight with relatively even stats but I give it to to joe with very high difficulty because his style of boxing is something that ippo struggles with nd in real boxing the style of an opponent cn really make a difference
 
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