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This has been a long time coming, but our definition of 'Void Manipulation' seems redundant and makes little sense.
For one, the only listed subpower of it is Existence Erasure, where the idea of "Void Manipulation" encapsulates much more than that, and also ignores the controversy behind defining what a "void" is in the first place, as several philosophies greatly disagree on this. For example, something that doesn't exist in regards to Materialism is simply something that doesn't have a form of energy and is subject to laws that govern it, but something that doesn't exist in Idealism would be something that is outside the range and scope of philosophical/human thought. I can go on.
I personally recommend defining 'nonexistence' as possessing no physical or nonphysical traits besides "not existing", a sort of weird combination of Idealism and Materialism that IMO fits best with how we treat things already.
And no, I don't think "physical nonexistence" is anything other than being Non-Corporeal. We should only have complete nonexistence fall under the power, as existing in any other form is a paradox to the concept in the first place.
"Void" as a concept is also subject to widely different interpretation depending on what culture or philosophy you ask. For example, certain Japanese philosophies see 'void' as a fifth element that encapsulates the supernatural, Buddism might see 'void' as a state of being that one can achieve, and classic Greek philosophy might relate the word 'void' to its concept of aether, what some of them believed to be the stuff that surrounded celestial bodies. I therefore think classical interpretations of 'void' should not qualify for what we consider to be void manipulation.
Out of philosophy, though, we should rework Void Manipulation to include the ability of interacting with a nonexistence as if it is an element (as it is in many cases), in some cases also granting the user resistance to existence erasure. Alongisde EE, Creation from nothingness should also be a subpower of Voidhax as the inverse of EE, as some might be able to cause something that is nonexistent to become something that exists. Finally, branching away from EE, Nonphysical Interaction should be part of Voidhax, as while EE deals with removing something's existence, it has nothing (at a base level) to do with interacting with things that don't exist to begin with, which falls under Voidhax.
I also made a very rough draft here.
TL; DR by MrKing
This has been a long time coming, but our definition of 'Void Manipulation' seems redundant and makes little sense.
For one, the only listed subpower of it is Existence Erasure, where the idea of "Void Manipulation" encapsulates much more than that, and also ignores the controversy behind defining what a "void" is in the first place, as several philosophies greatly disagree on this. For example, something that doesn't exist in regards to Materialism is simply something that doesn't have a form of energy and is subject to laws that govern it, but something that doesn't exist in Idealism would be something that is outside the range and scope of philosophical/human thought. I can go on.
I personally recommend defining 'nonexistence' as possessing no physical or nonphysical traits besides "not existing", a sort of weird combination of Idealism and Materialism that IMO fits best with how we treat things already.
And no, I don't think "physical nonexistence" is anything other than being Non-Corporeal. We should only have complete nonexistence fall under the power, as existing in any other form is a paradox to the concept in the first place.
"Void" as a concept is also subject to widely different interpretation depending on what culture or philosophy you ask. For example, certain Japanese philosophies see 'void' as a fifth element that encapsulates the supernatural, Buddism might see 'void' as a state of being that one can achieve, and classic Greek philosophy might relate the word 'void' to its concept of aether, what some of them believed to be the stuff that surrounded celestial bodies. I therefore think classical interpretations of 'void' should not qualify for what we consider to be void manipulation.
Out of philosophy, though, we should rework Void Manipulation to include the ability of interacting with a nonexistence as if it is an element (as it is in many cases), in some cases also granting the user resistance to existence erasure. Alongisde EE, Creation from nothingness should also be a subpower of Voidhax as the inverse of EE, as some might be able to cause something that is nonexistent to become something that exists. Finally, branching away from EE, Nonphysical Interaction should be part of Voidhax, as while EE deals with removing something's existence, it has nothing (at a base level) to do with interacting with things that don't exist to begin with, which falls under Voidhax.
I also made a very rough draft here.
TL; DR by MrKing
- Our current definition for Void Manip is weak.
- Our qualifications for Nonexistence are poorly defined.
- Void Manipulation should entail far more than what is currently suggested on the ability's page.
- Void Manipulation should allow you to affect a nonexistent being.
