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Bill Cipher vs The Spectre

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Lets give The Spectre more time in the limelight, eh?

Full Power Bill vs Crisis on Infinite Earths Spectre.

Speed equal.

Bill:
Bill cipher 1
Spectre: 7 (ShadowWarrior1999, Sound of Infinity, ABoogieYesSir, ChosenOrDeath, Ricsi-viragosi, DaBigP, Setsuna tenma)

Spectre DC Comics
 
Enerjak one shots by being immensely above baseline.

Also how good is Spectre's resistance to EE? Otherwise that also works, plus mind hax, and conceptual manipulation.
 
He tanked Darkseids Omega Beams.

This does seem stompy...I wasn't aware Archie characters were immensely above baseline. Maybe can I switch out Enerjak for a weaker Archie character?
 
Its.. 4 posts in and no one besides Shadow has commented, I also changed all tags/links.

Is it a rule to make a new thread or what? Seems extremely redundant.
 
Going to give it to Spectre due to mind hax, soul manipulation, transmutation, sealing, and being an actual 4D being.
 
Finding a fair match in 2-A for the Spectre is hard.. He gets stomped or stomps smh.

Is this a stomp in your guys opinion?
 
Also

>Transmutation

Non corporeal

>soul manipulation

Is it actual destruction, or is it removal or mind attacks directed at the soul?

>Sealing

Sealing is vague
 
This one is fair since both are baseline and while Bill has a wall of hax, he's 3D with 4D power and never used that hax on a 4D being.
 
Hurting a 2-A with physical attacks doesent make you immune to causality hax, law hax, or turning the spectre into stone
 
Pretty sure being non-corporeal doesn't give you immunity to transmutation.

Also the soul manipulation:

Judgment: The Spectre punishes souls who have done evil, often by using his reality warping powers to give them ironic punishments, and then damning their souls to hell.
 
>damning their souls to hell

If ******* lobo was a threat to hell, I'm 99% sure that won't work on bill

Also bill has his own transmutation
 
The fact the anti monitor was mindhaxed by martian manhunter goes against the idea the anti monitor has a 4-D mind. Otherwise, Martian Manhunter would have mindhaxed literally every opponent the justice league ever fought and won easily. I'm 99% sure not every pre crisis villain resists 2-A mindhax.
 
Then that's either two outliers, or an anti feat for both the spectre and the anti monitor's mind resistance. Otherwise, MM would have mindhaxed every enemy of the justice league instantly and easily won.
 
He hurt a 2-A with physical attacks, which is nice and all, but doesen't mean he resists causality and law manip automatically
 
He has power null and BFR on there.

Though is the BFR through spatiotemporal dimensions or is it dimensions as in universes?
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Going to give it to Spectre due to mind hax, soul manipulation, transmutation, sealing, and being an actual 4D being.
This ^

Plus Bill doesn't use most of his hax in-character. And most of them aren't 4D anyways.
 
Zach... did you actually use non-corporeal as a reasoning for a 2-A Bill? You either really forgot everything or are just being dishonest as it gets.


That said, Spectre fra.
 
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