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The Lich (Enter the Gungeon) vs Black Panther (Marvel Comics)

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Black Panther's King of the Dead allows him to Body Control Lich entirely upon activation

Given his look, and BP is fully serious and prefers to finish fights as soon as possible, I think he takes this once he activates it at the start of the fight

And before "Kaliber can Time Hax back" King of the Dead will still be in affect and continuously make a Lich immobile causing incap.

Not voting yet though
 
Garg hired another person to make this, tells me they really wanna vote on this thread, which means I assume I'm missing something coming into this.

How good is Tchalla's control over the dead? As in, volume? Not his ancestors, they seem to willingly fight for him. I mean those that aren't generally willing.
 
His control is excellent, as he was capable of streaking all of the dead from a cemetery away from a necromancer

Not like it matters though since Lich has no resistance to body control.

Also yes I did ask Reb to make this thread, not Gonna hide it
 
Has resistance to Mindhax though. Also this sounds like Body Puppetry more than Body Control.
 
Uhhhhh Body control is you getting your body controlled not mindhaxed

Puppetry and Control and literally the same thing
 
To sum it up

BP: Ah! An undead KING IF THE DEAD

Lich: What the hell I can't move

Kaliber: Yeah no (Timehax)

Lich: What the hell I still can't move
 
1. How is it achieved though? What are limitations? (also can I see the graveyard thing)

2. Thought Puppetry was when you did it to other people with Control being on yourself
 
Bastet, the Panther God, who is superior to the literal god of death Anubis granted Black Panther the title and powers of King of the Dead. With it he has the power to physically command the dead, like it or not to his bidding. He has controlled an entire army of zombies and a city of spirits.
 
Show me the moneeeey scaaans
 
1. He speaks "King of the Dead" and your controlled.

There aren't any limitations to it shown no, hence why 99% of his opponents aren't undead

2. Nah it's just controlling people's bodies and actions
 
ProfessorLord said:
Bastet, the Panther God, who is superior to the literal god of death Anubis granted Black Panther the title and powers of King of the Dead. With it he has the power to physically command the dead, like it or not to his bidding. He has controlled an entire army of zombies and a city of spirits.
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Oh shit I forgot you knew Panther lul
 
1. Not even once? No limits? Are these spirits sentient, because Zombies surely don't sound like it.

2. Body Control page says one's own body tho.
 
It's definitely not puppetry of any kind, Black Panther actually has to give them the command and although they will ultimately follow whatever he says they give him backlash and attitude.

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1. Zombies are sentient though, they have control of their actions and are able to perceive and feel things. And no, considering none of BPs normal opponents are dead, it has yet to show one

2. That's....Odd
 
No it isn't Lord. Puppetry. Possession is when you are inside of them, as in your conscious. Possession leads to puppetry, geneerally, but isn't inherently the same thing.

Also, is this possession?
 
Going by your own logic no, otherwise T'Challa is inside at least 300 hundred zombies right now, as in his conscious.
 
Just making sure man. You two seem to disagree kek.

So. What stops Kaliber from insta-time-rewinding whenever BP tries to take control of her sealed away prisoner?
 
Anyway

Professor Lords scans absolutely convince me

Voting Panther via King of the Dead and immensely superior intellect
 
Didn't... answer... the question...
 
If the prisoner can't dodge Kaliber in time then nothing to be honest. He can rewind time if he shoots his prisoner, right?
 
Mr. Bambu said:
Just making sure man. You two seem to disagree kek.

So. What stops Kaliber from insta-time-rewinding whenever BP tries to take control of her sealed away prisoner?
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Neither of us disagreed actually.

The fact that time rewinding before King of the Dead is unlikely as she has no Precog and is incapable of shutting King of the Dead off for good.
 
She can... see it, though. And time hax just negs it.

Making this incon.

Also @Prof Kaliber is a she, and yeah. Just shoots him from wherever the **** Gungeon Gods are and rewinds time.

So this is sounding mighty Incon-ish to me.
 
It doesn't negate it, King of the Dead still remains active

Even if she timehaxed, King of the Dead throws Him under control repeatedly
 
Why does Lich get to use his personal goddess but Black Panther doesn't? BP should get to use panther god then.
 
^He is allowed that now

BTW being under BPs control after being Time haxed repeatedly is incap
 
What makes King of the Dead still active?

And yeah, I know, KotD occurs repeatedly, and immediately gets rewound, making this Incon.

And... Kaliber taking an active role in Lich's imprisonment due to wanting him to remain under her control in Hell forever.
 
It constantly activates to control the dead around it

Kaliber timehaxes? King of the Dead is active and controls

Rinse and repeat and boom, since Lich can't be put in a state to harm Panther
 
So this truly is Incon. Since Kaliber resets time continually to wash away the effects, and it instantly begins again right after.

Of course, in the game Tchalla would have to try to get through Bullet Hell to even fight Lich, and might not reach it since it TPs you back to whenever you reached the Gungeon (or whatever would be applicable in this case), but I'd be willing to bet it reaches Incon since neither can keep the other down conclusively for more than an hour.
 
King of the dead will continuously put Lich under its control, washing away the effects does nothing. And Lich is uncapped as he's "In a state where he cannot harm the other fighter"

Being repeatedly made incapable of doing anything is not an Incon, it is incap.

BP can easily fight through almost anything in the gungeon especially since a lot of is undead

This is also never brought up in any thread.
 
What is never brought up? Also, about to head to sleep. So just gonna say.

I disagree. Kaliber washing away the effects and rewinding time (putting Tchalla back where he started) means Lich remains not incapped. Tchalla has to then get to Lich to re-incap him, only for time to get reset.

If this really is just "all undead in the universe of Tchalla are instantly under his control and not mindhax so your resistance doesn't count ecks dee" then this is absolutely a stomp, since passive hax giving insta-wins make this a stomp.

And you knew that, making this. So now I'm just curious kek.
 
Okay so hear me out now.

This is no longer a fight between BP and Lich, he clearly stomps him in skill. Having perfect accuracy 1000/1000 times is quite literally a circus act in Wakanda; he can probably beat Lich by having his own bullets ricochet and kill him somehow. When it comes down to it you just have to ask if it's physically possible, because no matter how unlikely it may seem for a human to do T'Challa can do it better.

Black Panther being teleported away is light work since he can teleport himself. Bast, the panther god(dess) can also teleport him anywhere he desires since he's her champion. If you were playing the game as BP it would be like watching a TAS with cheatcodes enabled. He would probably turn the entire games foes against The Lich with his necromancy, lol.

I think the real problem is Kaliber circumventing and halting his attempts on Lich. If he keeps reaching Lich over and over because time is resetting, chances are Lich is going to comment on it. Having more degrees than a themometer BP would more than likely pick up on it and interrogate his foe, and with proficency in that too he would get his answer. Now he has to fight Kaliber.

He would have to get through her first. He asks Bast to bring him to Kaliber and would initiate the boss fight instantly. This of course is casual for him to, after all his standard equipment is enough to take on Namor and Super Skrull, both of which are planet level.

Being in charge of Wakanda also means he gains access to literally anything the country has at its disposal. King Solomon's frogs allow him manipulation over space and time. He can now manipulate time just as well if not better than what Kaliber has demonstrated.

I vote T'Challa 7/3 difficulty, it's going to take a while but it's very unlikely for him to lose at all.
 
What do you mean what is never brought up? That is directly from the Versus Thread Rules

Lich can still BFR BP at the start of the fight. But if he doesn't then he's screwed for eternity by if.

I didn't know that, I wanted to debate with you on it working or not.

And BTW, Lich is the same person that literally not a single one of any of his opponents can kill or incap, none of his opponents that he's beaten have won conditions, not a single one of them.

Saying "And you knew that, making this. So now I'm just curious Kek" is also hypocritical when you yourself make Lich matches where the opponent cannot win.

But to give the Benefit of the doubt I will ignore KoTD continuously working and vote BP for proffesor's reasons
 
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