Early Dragon Ball Z MASSIVE downgrade

Hello. The recent OPM downgrades have made me wonder why the same "outlier' logic isn't being used on other series. So let's talk about the famous Piccolo moon bust feat.

So early on in DBZ, Piccolo blows up the moon to revert Gohan back to human form, after he turned into an Oozaru because of the presence of a full moon. Piccolo blows it up and the feat was calced, and the result was Planet level. Piccolo had a very low power level when he performed this feat, so many characters in the Saiyan Saga and the Namek Saga were upgraded to 5-B because of this feat.

But my question is, why the hell isn't this feat considered an outlier. This is the only feat that was even close to Planet level, and nobody besides Frieza ever performed a planetary feat until much later on.

Throughout the Namek Saga, characters are constantly shocked by explosions that are like mountain level at best. Nobody ever performs a planetary feat after the one done by Piccolo, and blowing up a planet is still considered unbelievably powerful by even top tier characters in the Namek Saga, despite the fact that planet level/moon level feats should be nothing to them now.

Frieza being able to blow up planets is considered amazing and extremely powerful by most characters in the Namek Saga, despite the fact that Piccolo performed a casual planet level feat, when he was much MUCH weaker than pretty much anyone in the Namek Saga.

In the Namek Saga, whenever a top tier character uses their "full power", it only blows up like a mountain or something and characters like Krillin and Gohan are terrified by it and consider it to be absolutely insane. Uh hello? Didn't Piccolo blow up the ******* moon when he was literally thousands of times weaker than practically anyone in the Namek Saga?

So in other words, NOBODY ever performs a feat even close to this later throughout the Saiyan Saga and Namek Saga, and planet busting is still considered a crazy strong feat, even by top tier characters in the Namek Saga.

Attacks that only blow up like a mountain is considered to be very powerful by characters like Dodoria, Zarbon, etc. Despite the fact that these guys are thousands of times stronger than Piccolo was when he performed the 5-B feat.

Tell me again why this feat isn't an outlier, when OPM was downgraded because of a similar reason.

Piccolo blowing up the moon wasn't really to show that he's THAT powerful, but it was simply used as a plot device, so that Gohan can revert back to human form, since that's really the only way to do it. For example, Roshi in the original DB series, was able to blow up the moon to turn Goku back to a human, despite the fact that logically, he should have been nowhere near strong enough to do such a thing. The same applies to Piccolo's feat. It's an outlier.

However, Frieza's feat is NOT an outlier for obvious reasons, so anyone scaling to Frieza's feat will not be downgraded.

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Fasterthanthefourth said:

Throughout the Namek Saga, characters are constantly shocked by explosions that are like mountain level at best. Nobody ever performs a planetary feat after the one done by Piccolo, and blowing up a planet is still considered unbelievably powerful by even top tier characters in the Namek Saga, despite the fact that planet level/moon level feats should be nothing to them now.

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And this matters because...? If this was applied onto current Dragon Ball, Beerus should be 4-B because all the GoDs were surprised at Zeno's erasure of universes.

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Your argument falls apart the moment you use collateral damage and AoE

Kuroiha said:

Fasterthanthefourth said:

Throughout the Namek Saga, characters are constantly shocked by explosions that are like mountain level at best. Nobody ever performs a planetary feat after the one done by Piccolo, and blowing up a planet is still considered unbelievably powerful by even top tier characters in the Namek Saga, despite the fact that planet level/moon level feats should be nothing to them now.

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And this matters because...? If this was applied onto current Dragon Ball, Beerus should be 4-B because all the GoDs were surprised at Zeno's erasure of universes.

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They were surprised because of how casual it was and how easily he can do it. The Gods of Destruction CAN indeed destroy universes, but it requires a lot of effort and pretty much their full power, whereas Zeno erases universes as easily as humans can pop a balloon.

Vegeta said he could destroy Earth, so he should at least be plnet level in the Saiyan Saga.

Even discounting Piccolo destroying the Moon, Vegeta is still going to destroy Earth. That's a planet level feat.

A violent Moon-bust yielding Planet level energy followed by a planet level statement right before getting into more planet busting next saga. I don't see any validity to this at all.

They're probably surprised at how powerful the blast is, not how destructive it is [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]. Even characters from the first half of the series can bust cities, mountains, and islands with one blast, why would busting relatively small mountains and hills be impressive? Also, it's directly stated (Big Bang Attack) and show that they have AoE/Ki Control, whereas Genos' Small Town level attack has no indication of being suppressed, and actually makes no sense context wise.

Frieza did not perform a Planet level feat, it was Dwarf Star level. The difference between Frieza's 1.7 Tenaton feat and baseline Planet level is 28,600,269.2.

Also, the Planet level feat makes sense by scaling, unlike the Genos feat. We have guides, in series, etc, confirming Vegeta is a planet buster, Frieza's First Form is far higher and Dwarf Star level, plus we have tons of other planet busting statements in the Namek, Android, Cell, etc, sagas.

Piccolo may have only had a PL of 329, but power levels aren't linear. Also, it's stated by guides that Goku's Super Kamehameha against Piccolo in the Tournament could have destroyed the moon. Outlier, PIS, or hyperbole? Yes. But they still intend this for series scaling.

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Then how about Dypso? Everyone was surprised when his speed was supposedly "faster than light" when DB characters had already surpassed it since ages ago.

And like others have said, there is plenty of planetary or close to planetary statements following Piccolo's moon-bust.

"Faster than light" literally can mean 2x all the way up to Infinite... So them being shocked at Dyspo's speed means nothing especially since they literally keep up with him later in the tournament.

Does anyone have anything else to say before this is closed?.

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