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Boruto Upgrades

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So, in a recent thread, Naruto was just upgraded to 7-C with Rasengan for injuring Kabuto. Being this is the Case, several upgrades I believe shiuld take place:

  • Boruto should be upgraded to 7-C with Rasengan as well as he is consistently portrayed as more skillful than Part 1 Naruto. There should be no reason why Boruto's Rasengan is weaker when he is more skillful than his father, plus Boruto had Rasengan much longer than Naruto did. Naruto's completed Rasengan in Part 1 was his actual first use having just completed training just prior to the fight.
  • Shojoji should have 7-C durability as he was only momentarily knocked out by the Rasengan but got back up without much noticable damage.
  • Sarada should be "Possibly 7-C" in Overall stats for knocking out Shojoji.
Proposed Upgrades:

  • Boruto (Post Momoshiki Arc): AP = At least 8-A, Possibly 7-C. 7-C with Rasengan and Chakra Sword. | Striking = At least 8-A, Possibly 7-C (Fought Shojoji). | Durability = "At least 8-A, Possiblyb7-C (Could take hits from Shojoji)
  • Shojoji: AP = At least 8-A, Possibly 7-C | Striking = At least 8-A, Possibly 7-C | Durability = 7-C (Tanked Boruto's Rasengan with minimal damage, only momentarily knocked out)
  • Sarada (Post Momoshiki Arc): AP = At least 8-A, Possibly 7-C | Striking = At least 8-A, Possibly 7-C (Knocked Shojoji out with a kick) | Durability = At Least 8-A, Possibly 7-C.
  • Mitsuki (Post Momoshiki Arc): Comparable to Boruto and Sarada.
 
I disagree with scaling borutos rasengan to narutos. There is no proof that borutos rasengan is anywhere near as powerful as narutos. Also being more skillful doesnt equal more ap, I also don't believe boruto is more skillful than naruto.

Narutos rasengan is different than borutos. Naruto focuses a lot of chakra into the palm of his hand, while boruto has a much smaller one that disappers when thrown.
 
Wrath Of Itachi said:
I disagree with scaling borutos rasengan to narutos. There is no proof that borutos rasengan is anywhere near as powerful as narutos. Also being more skillful doesnt equal more ap, I also don't believe boruto is more skillful than naruto.
Narutos rasengan is different than borutos. Naruto focuses a lot of chakra into the palm of his hand, while boruto has a much smaller one that disappers when thrown.
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  • More skill does equate to more AP.
  • No, Part 1 Naruto isn't more skilled than Boruto (Boruto was Chunin level while at the academy and shown more skill than even Part 1 Sasuke).
  • Boruto has both the throwing one and a Regular Rasengan that he doesn't throw implying Ttaining between Momoshiki Arc and Mujina Arc.
  • Rasengan is an ability that focuses lots of Chakra in the palm. Saying Naruto does this is no different than saying Boruto does this.
 
TheFinalOrder said:
  • More skill does equate to more AP.
  • No, Part 1 Naruto isn't more skilled than Boruto (Boruto was Chunin level while at the academy and shown more skill than even Part 1 Sasuke).
  • Boruto has both the throwing one and a Regular Rasengan that he doesn't throw implying Ttaining between Momoshiki Arc and Mujina Arc.
  • Rasengan is an ability that focuses lots of Chakra in the palm. Saying Naruto does this is no different than saying Boruto does this.
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Boruto being chunin means nothing when naruto was a genin for all of part 2. Rank does not=AP. Also saying boruto is more skillful is just wrong when he had to cheat in the chunin exames in order to win.

From what i remember boruto can only create a small rasengan, not one as big as what naruto has created. Also its been shown in canon that the bigger the rasengan the more DC it has (Naruto and Jiraiyas Odama Rasengan).

Yes it does focus chakra in the palm, but the difference is that naruto put far more chakra into it than boruto does. Boruto also needed a ninja weapon to create a rasengan the size that kid naruto could make. Sasuke also comments on borutos rasengan saying "I'd be hard-pressed to call that a rasengan."
 
I agree with Wrath of Itachi, I would have said the same thing. There is no reason to equate Boruto's Rasengan with Part 1 Naruto's when Boruto's Rasengan not only does not have comparable feats, but it gets verbally downplayed by Sasuke as being "hard pressed to call a Rasengan".

And as Wrath of Itachi said, Boruto did need a Ninja Tool to even make a regular sized Rasengan.

So I disagree with the upgrade.
 
To be honest, the rasengan should change depending the person.

After all, Naruto's chakra was much more THICC
 
Wrath Of Itachi said:
Boruto being chunin means nothing when naruto was a genin for all of part 2. Rank does not=AP. Also saying boruto is more skillful is just wrong when he had to cheat in the chunin exames in order to win.
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TFO meant here that Boruto basically started the series out as already being a chunin. That definitely puts him above Part 1 Naruto who needed to work his butt off at the beginning to only be a genin. Rank equaling AP I agree isn't a thing, but in this specific case, it's more so used to prove Boruto is superior to Naruto at a specific point in the pre-timeskip. Like if someone started out at a higher level than some others in a field where the latter had trained for it while the former did not. That makes them superior.

Also, how does using the S.N.T. to cheat mean he's not a chunin? Everyone who participated (except for Metal Lee's squad and maybe Shikadi's squad) was chunin level, especially Gaaras son.
 
That still doesn't mean anything. He cheated particularly in the end because his opponent, Shinki, was just that strong by being able to 1 up both Boruto and Sarada at once.

Shinki would have wrecked Naruto and anyone else at the chunin exams in their time except for maybe Gaara and thats being generous.
 
To be fair, those were like last second choices.

The kid Boruto faced first could have been beaten by Borutos own abilities, all he showed was exploding gum. Boruto just decided to finish him quickly with the tool.

Shikadi is also pretty much the same thing. Boruto only needed to cheat the moment shadow poession got him. Shikadi is like Shikamaru, a non-fighter ninja.

Shinki is the only opponent Boruto faced there that actually matched his capabilities and went beyond.
 
Think of it like this.

Boruto would have beat them even if he didn't cheat with the tool. But Yurui (I think thats his name) was being annoying with his exploding gum, so Boruto used the tool just to get him out of his face immediatey. And Shikadi's shadow possesion would have been very bad news without the tool if Boruto was unlucky to get caught in it, which he did.

And honestly, I really think the S.N.T. is just a plot device to further develop Boruto's relationship with Naruto as its clearly shown in the arc.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
And honestly, I really think the S.N.T. is just a plot device to further develop Boruto's relationship with Naruto as its clearly shown in the arc.
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It pretty much was. He could have won without it which was also the point of the story.
 
I get your point i really do, but the main canon has his victory through cheating. Whether or not he would win without it is up for debate.

Without the ninja tool to get him out of his face, boruto would have lost right then. Boruto had full knowledge of shikadais ability, but he wasnt skilled enough to counter it. Granted shikadai is a genius.
 
I still disagree. Boruto doesn't have any feats to say his Rasengan is on par with Part 1 Naruto's Rasengan nor any reasoning to say they are of comparable AP. Just because he has a higher title means nothing when we had the existence of Part 2 Naruto being a Genin.
 
Cheating when he absolutely needed it, especially against Shinki like I said. And there's actually no evidence that Boruto would have lost early, not against Yurui anyway. He was simply being an annoying jerk with exploding gum who got like 2 hits in on Boruto. Boruto would have beaten him no matter what.

Shikadi is a better case but he only managed to be a challenge because of his strategizing like Shikamaru and being lucky that Boruto got caught by the Shadow Posession. Boruto didn't need the tool up until that last second sneak it attack.

Boruto really didnt need any cheating until facing Shinki, a legit opponent who overpowered him and Sarada simutaneously. The S.N.T. is just a plot device.
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
I still disagree. Boruto doesn't have any feats to say his Rasengan is on par with Part 1 Naruto's Rasengan nor any reasoning to say they are of comparable AP. Just because he has a higher title means nothing when we had the existence of Part 2 Naruto being a Genin.
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Actually the titel has nothing to do with it. It is his skills being compared to Chunin as a Genin.
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
I still disagree. Boruto doesn't have any feats to say his Rasengan is on par with Part 1 Naruto's Rasengan nor any reasoning to say they are of comparable AP. Just because he has a higher title means nothing when we had the existence of Part 2 Naruto being a Genin.
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Already debunked the ranking rebuttal above. TFO isn't arguing it in that way.
 
Im kind of not seeing what else is needed. I agree that ninja rankings doent mean your AP is better, however in this case its different from other ones.

Naruto even with his Rasengan needed to work his butt off a lot while only as a Genin. Boruto literally starts this series out with having Chunin-level abilities before even becoming a ninja. Its like if character x and character y went to the army together. Once beginning to train, character x needs to constantly push himself just to keep up with the other recruits. While in character y's case, he starts things out with already having combat experience and breezes through everyones training with flying colors. It's obvious which one is superior.

Naruto is character x while Boruto is character y.
 
Okay, that still doesn't say Boruto has similar AP to Naruto.

You need feats to back up this claim that Boruto's AP is comparable.

All you're trying to use to justify this upgrade is that Boruto is more skilled. However, skill doesn't not translate to AP.
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
Skill doesn't translate his AP being comparable though. What we need are feats proving that Boruto's Rasengan is comparable to Part 1 Naruto's.
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Chakra control is dependant on skill. By your logic, Part 1 Naruto's Radengan > Kakashi's Rasengan and Adult Konohamaru's Rasengan.

And considering your opinion only revolves around Boruto's Vanishing Rasengan coupled with the fact you are coming off as if you haven't read the Boruto Manga, your say in this is shakey at best.
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
All you're trying to use to justify this upgrade is that Boruto is more skilled. However, skill doesn't not translate to AP.
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Apparently it does but TheFinalOrder would be able to argue this a 100x better than me so he'll have to explain that to you.

Also, like everyone else has said, there's no really no secret trick to using the Rasengan. Once you know how to ulitize it, all that matters is the chakra of the user. And we are talking about manga Boruto here post-Momoshiki arc so...
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
With how the rasengan works, I would imagine that once you got how to use it, only the chakra matters.
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Yeah I would have originally thought his, yet Boruto's Rasengan was always small when done without a Ninja Tool. He has still yet to show he can make an actual regular Rasengan.

Plus, we're not about to say that Part 1 Naruto's regular Rasengan would be comparable to Minato's regular Rasengan. This would be fallacious reasoning.

Thus, we shouldn't make Boruto 7-C when he has no 7-C feat nor 7-C scaling.
 
The size isn't everything either.

An odama rasengan from jiraya will never keep up with any of current Naruto's rasengans.
 
Yeah size isn't everything, feats and calcs would be. And we have no feat nor calc for justifying Boruto being 7-C through his Rasengan.

The sole justification being used by the OP is that Boruto is more skilled than Part 1 Naruto which doesn't translate to AP.
 
Again, just because boruto can make a normal size rasengan doesnt mean its as strong as narutos. Thats like saying Part 1 narutos rasengan is just as strong as jiraiyas.
 
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