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Madara's keys fixing

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Madara's Jin keys need further fixing. The one Key says Juubi Jin and has this image. However this is wrong. Madara after becoming a Jin has the following forms:

  • Juubi Madara (One Rinnegan) which this site rates as At least 5C, likely higher. I will get to that later.
  • Shinjuu Madara (One Rinnegan), which we concluded in another thread is 5B after absorbing the Shinjuu.
  • Dual Rinnegan Shinjuu Madara, 5B
  • Rinnesharingan Madara, 5B (a form that Madara can achieve according to the manga when he has both Rinnegan and Juubi and is close to the moon, not just by removing his forehead band)
Anyway here from all the above keys Madara as only the 2 of 3 (or rather the last 2 are like one now...) A key for Sinjuu Madara wit one Rinnegan is missing. Te tab as an image how he looks as Shinjuu Madara who has more tomoe like Kaguya in this form at his clothing. This is Juubi Madara. So a 5B key is needed for Shinjuu One Rinnegan form. And an image.

Juubi Madara should be 5B even before absorbing the Shinjuu. e is close to Hagoromo who is 5B stated by the character himself. At least 5C and 5B have a massive gap and is by no means close.
 
Madara became a Juubi jin with one eye. Two eyes picture, one eye, doesn't really matter, he's rated accurately.

The rinne-sharingan key emphasizes he has both rinnegan. He's never absorbed the god tree with less than 2 eyes.

The tabs are fine.

I do agree though, that he should be 5-B in his initial state. Naruto implied teamwork was necessary.
 
Callsign Castle said:
Madara became a Juubi jin with one eye. Two eyes picture, one eye, doesn't really matter, he's rated accurately.
The rinne-sharingan key emphasizes he has both rinnegan. He's never absorbed the god tree with less than 2 eyes.

The tabs are fine.

I do agree though, that he should be 5-B in his initial state. Naruto implied teamwork was necessary.
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Lol , he absorbed the shinju tree before he get the another eye
 
Callsign Castle said:
The rinne-sharingan key emphasizes he has both rinnegan. He's never absorbed the god tree with less than 2 eyes.
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He absorbed the tree with one eye. Look Manga chapter 673. (Madara with one eye wounded then he absorbs the tree). After that new form.
 
Tier: At least 7-A, 6-B with Perfect Susano'o, Kurama, and Majestic Attire: Susano'o | At least 7-A, Low 6-B with Tengai Shinsei, 6-B with Wood Release, High 6-A with Perfect Susano'o | Low 6-B. At least 6-A, likely higher with one Rinnegan | At least 5-C, likely far higher | 5-B | 5-B | 5-B

Actually, it should be like this. Why did you remove the key?

madara key At least 5-C, likely far higher - Jübi Jinchuuriki

madara key 5-B - Jübi Jinchuuriki + God Tree And New Power Completely immortal + The power of the god tree.

madara key 5-B - Jübi Jinchuuriki + God Tree + Dual Rinnega And New power eyes show their true power when both of them are together

madara key 5-B - Jübi Jinchuuriki + God Tree + Dual Rinnegan + Rinne-Sharinga And New Power The Power of the 3rd Eye Will power users.

Why did you get out without checking?
 
╬Ü╬ƒ╬£╬Ö╬× said:
He absorbed the tree with one eye. Look Manga chapter 673. (Madara with one eye wounded then he absorbs the tree). After that new form.
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I had the events mixed up. I thought he absorbed it after he got his second eye, but he activated IT after he got it.
 
I am myself You are you said:
madara key At least 5-C, likely far higher - Jübi Jinchuuriki

madara key 5-B - Jübi Jinchuuriki + God Tree And New Power Completely immortal + The power of the god tree.

madara key 5-B - Jübi Jinchuuriki + God Tree + Dual Rinnega And New power eyes show their true power when both of them are together

madara key 5-B - Jübi Jinchuuriki + God Tree + Dual Rinnegan + Rinne-Sharinga And New Power The Power of the 3rd Eye Will power users.

Why did you get out without checking?
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Agreed but Juubi Madara should be likely 5B or 5B since he is getting close to Hagoromo.

I had the events mixed up. I thought he absorbed it after he got his second eye, but he activated IT after he got it.

Ok. I think it was essencial to be near the moon to activate RinneSharingan since Madara said you need to have the power of Rinne and be near the Moo.
 
I recall Hagoromo saying that Madara is '''trying''' to get close to him and not that he is actually close to him.
 
Dark649 said:
I recall Hagoromo saying that Madara is trying to get close to him and not that he is actually close to him.
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After too much searching I found the Viz sca! Hagoromo says that Madara is getting close to him and he is even trying to get Kaguya's power. From this it seems Madara is trying to get close to Kaguya and he is really close to Hagoromo's level.
 
After too much searching I found the Viz sca! Hagoromo says that Madara is getting close to him and he is even trying to get Kaguya's power. From this it seems Madara is trying to get close to Kaguya and he is really close to Hagoromo's level.

One Eyed Madara is close to hagoromo not 3rd Eyed One
 
After too much searching I found the Viz sca! Hagoromo says that Madara is getting close to him and he is even trying to get Kaguya's power. From this it seems Madara is trying to get close to Kaguya and he is really close to Hagoromo's level.
Also I made a thread to add the shinju madara key and upgrading the 5-C madara And I was talking to admins , For now there isn't nobody debunked my facts , and I wish to upgrade him soon


1) Make another key for madara (Juubi Jin + Shinju) and chage some renders of madara keys

Madara ( Juubi Jin) render :

Madara uchiha rikudou sennin 02


Madara (Juubi Jin + Shinju) render :

Madara_uchiha_rikudou_mode_by_uchihaclanancestor-d94vywk.png


2) Madara Destructive Cap.

I would low-balling madara to make it savely rateing

Madara (Juubi Jin) > 140 zt

Madara (Juubi Jin) Weakend > 84 zt

Madara (Juubi Jin + Shinju) > 200+ zt and should be 250

Madara (Dual Rinnegan) > 300 - 350 zt

Madara (Rinnesharingan) > 400 zt

3) Madara Attack Potency : I would to start from Juubi Jin key + I would add the Shinju key

Planet level (Was stated to get close to Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki's power) | Planet level ( Faced off against Naruto and Sasuke with Six Paths chakra , Tanked Naruto and Sasuke combined attack without any effort also he was caught off guard , His Limbo send Naruto flying a way with one strike , Also his limbo tanked Naruto's truth seeking orb attack with his bare hand ) | Planet level (Superior to Naruto and Sasuke , Send them togather flying a way with one limbo strike ) | Planet level (Must be comparable to Kaguya Ōtsutsuki , Also spread the God Tree's roots as a side effect of his Infinite Tsukuyomi)
 
Btw, By the "Close" stuff, it only means the types of powers, not actual AP.

Databook confirms this, it's only Talking about Madara having Juubi and Rinnegan. Madara isn't "Close" to Hagoromo's level.
 
TheFinalOrder said:
Btw, By the "Close" stuff, it only means the types of powers, not actual AP.
Databook confirms this, it's only Talking about Madara having Juubi and Rinnegan. Madara isn't "Close" to Hagoromo's level.
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Character statements >>> databooks. Here it means AP. He says that Madara obtained Ten Tails Power.Also Hagoromo gave his power to the boys to stop this Madara. So he must be a threat. Before he even absorbs the tree.
 
The Databook calls Juubi Madara that fought Gai the strongest ninja. I had forgotten about it:

Maito Guy utilizes the taijuts move,inherited from his father - "the 8 celestial gates". To unravel the final dragon mystery you have to open the last "death gate" and sacrifice your life (poetic,inst it?TN). From the red stream emission (Guy s blood and chakra. TN), in a form of a red burning chakra the great dragon rises, flying out of the ribcage, absolutely unprecedented kick that hits the opponent and beats (turns) him into nothing. It s power is off limits, overturns the knowledge of anything that taijutsu is capable off, it twists and bends the sky (sora) itself on contact, even right side of the body of the strongest ninja Madara was completely destroyed.
 
even right side of the body of the strongest ninja Madara was completely destroyed.

Why to bother about this line?It changes nothing.
 
AstralKing7 said:
I'm pretty sure Naruto is considered the Greatest Ninja during that time of the last battle and onwards
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Like Madara said winners write history. He is considered for his time by characters... Anyway this has nothing to do with this. The Databook says Madara is the strongest ninja and that includes Naruro and Sasuke in their Rikudo states at the war. That enforces Juubi Madara is 5B too. Also, the Naruto that attacked Madara I have seen here to be considered the base... That's wrong that Naruto had Six Paths Sage mode eyes but NOT the chakra cloak. (so its not farfetched to say that he would be 5B even without the cloak)

Anyway to conclude about 5B Juubi Madara:

  • Hagoromo compares Madara to himself and says he is getting close to him.
  • The Databook says that Madara is the strongest Ninja at that time. Even excluding Hagoromo that is comparison to the other charcters.
  • Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke his power so as to stop Juubi Madara. He couldn't know if Madara would absorb the God Tree. Also, he should have considered him a big threat so he should be 5B. If he didn't then Naruto was stronger than him then half of Hagoromo's power would suffice but that's not the case.
Also there must be 2 keys one for Juubi Madara and the other for Shinjuu Madara (One eye).
 
Does Dual Rinnegan Madara and RinneSharingan Madara actually need two separate Keys?

Madara gained Dual Rinnegan and RinneSharingan in the same chapter. And he only used 1 technique apiece. RinneSharingan Madara can do everything DR Madara can, and be it both upgrades happened within the same chspter, it's kinda redundant to have both as Keys
 
TheFinalOrder said:
Does Dual Rinnegan Madara and RinneSharingan Madara actually need two separate Keys?
Madara gained Dual Rinnegan and RinneSharingan in the same chapter. And he only used 1 technique apiece. RinneSharingan Madara can do everything DR Madara can, and be it both upgrades happened within the same chspter, it's kinda redundant to have both as Keys
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2 techs he used (IT and Shin Jukai Koutan) While I agree to that the Rinne Sharingan can be activated if Madara reaches the Moon? He said in the chapter "when someone who has the power of Rinne gets close to the Moon then the eye for the IT will open". I don't know... What the others think?

Also Madara's justification for his durability at final form needs to change. I think that his durability should be just far higher than before. We don't know how it compares to others.

I forgot to mention. Blind Madara broke all of SM Hashi's gates when he was revived. Has this been considered for his tier?
 
In the past thread I already told people that Madara can not open his rinnesharingan on his own.He needs to get to the moon and according to SBA the fight takes place at our Earth,I doubt he can awaken it that way.
 
Dzhindzholia said:
In the past thread I already told people that Madara can not open his rinnesharingan on his own.He needs to get to the moon and according to SBA the fight takes place at our Earth,I doubt he can awaken it that way.
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No offense, but this shouldn't be a thing in the first place. Madara doesn't have to activate RS in a Vs Battles if that's the key being used in a match.
 
╬Ü╬ƒ╬£╬Ö╬× said:
I forgot to mention. Blind Madara broke all of SM Hashi's gates when he was revived. Has this been considered for his tier?
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Yes, but it was likely rejected since the Biju's can destroy his Incomplete Susanoo and phisically injured him before getting a Rinnegan.
 
Dark649 said:
╬Ü╬ƒ╬£╬Ö╬× said:
I forgot to mention. Blind Madara broke all of SM Hashi's gates when he was revived. Has this been considered for his tier?
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Yes, but it was likely rejected since the Biju's can destroy his Incomplete Susanoo and phisically injured him before getting a Rinnegan.
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Oh ok. He is low 6B. Shouldn't he be At leaset low 6B since he survived all the tailed beasts tail slam including Bijuu mode Naruto who is At least low 6B?
 
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