Nibbler3100 said:
True but Natsu is smart if he sees his attacks not connecting he'd switch up his stytle maybe punch the ground and create a massive explosion. Kakine won't know explosions don't work on him until he does it and makes him stronger from it. The Dark Matter seems like a Problem but when you think about it aren't those just like Zeref's Black Death Magic attacks which Natsu has shown to be able to burn in his new mode if he is unable to dodge (which I don't see why not unless they're MHS - Light Speed) I don't know how it was possible but he's done it lol. So far it doesn't seem like any of Kakine's attacks would work he's not a high-tier Dark matter manipulator which allows you to control all 4 fundamental forces or Transmute anything.
By this point it's obvious you don't know anything about Kakine. I've read both Index and Fairy Tail and trust me, Kakine is beyond Natsu's current league because of his hax, it's not even funny. I'll explain it point for point.
Point 1 - Dark Matter: Your comparison of Kakine's Dark Matter to Zeref's Death Magic or to other Dark Matter manipulator (would be nice if you said who in particular, but it doesn't really matter since it's unrelated to the fight) shows you don't know how his Dark Matter works, but to be fair his page needs a bit of tweaking. This should probably be added to his page to stop any further misunderstanding:
Dark Matter allows Kakine to create and control an unknown material, which is not to be confused with the true Dark Matter which is among the components of the universe. Dark Matter is just the name Kakine chose for his ability. In addition, 'unknown matter' here does not mean matter that has not been discovered by humans but
matter that did not exist until it was created by Teitoku. The material he creates defies the laws of physics in any way Kakine chooses, allowing him to produce 25,000 different types of energy or to turn harmless sunlight into deadly light through refraction, create an invisible pressure on humans, etc.He can use the substance and shape it in any form he desires.
So no, it's nothing like Zeref's death magic. Natsu burning Zeref's Death Magic means little here, since unlike him Kakine's Dark Matter regenerates on a quantum level.
Point 2 - Kakine's attacks: Kakine's attacks are
much more than simple explosions. They reach the level of Durability Negation quantum attacks, and his angel wings and Dark Matter can disintegrate matter. Natsu's higher Durability is useless.
Point 3 - Kakine's Regen: Kakine regenerates from any particle of Dark Matter left anywhere in the world. If you don't get how broken is this, consider that Kakine only has to leave one/several small Dark Matter bugs/particles away from the fight (which will cost him absolutely nothing) and he can keep respawning indefinitely in the impossible case of Natsu destroying all the Dark Matter near him. And he has used this kind of ability before. Beetle 05's main body also survived a hit from Rensa's Dark Wings, so unless you're trying to argue that Natsu is stronger than Accel's Dark Wings I fail to see what Natsu's attacks would do to him. Also, so far Zeref has shown a lower level of regen than Kakine and Natsu couldn't kill him with his attacks in Flame Dragon King mode. Natsu's higher AP is useless.
Point 3 - Speed: Check Kakine's page; High Hypersonic speed + MHS close combat speed + reactions. Natsu is not touching him, especially in close range, which is Natsu's fighting style..
Point 4 - Possibility of even bigger stomp: Considering how Kakine can create Dark Matter that defies the laws of physics however he wishes it's just a matter of time before he starts making the Dark Matter he creates resistant to heat and fire, if it isn't one of his first moves upon seeign Natsu's power is fire. Admittedly, Kakine is an arrogant overconfident prick because of his great power, so he might not even bother, especially considering he doesn't actually need it to win this fight.
Point 5 - Kakine's intelligence: Kakine, like all high level espers, is a genius superior in intellect to normal humans, so he's also much smarter than Natsu, who's uses the classic shonen hero tactic of "charge straight in, blow everything up with brute strength" more than 90% of the time. While somewhat offset by his arrogance, his worst moments have been always caused by his inferiority complex towards Accelerator. As proof, Beetle 05 has none of his pride problems because of his more stable personality. So he wouldn't be that impaired when he's fighting Natsu.
Point 6 - Stamina: Even if after all of this you somehow still believe Natsu can match Kakine in combat you need to consider that Natsu is going to get tired and run out of energy eventually, which'll be pretty fast if Kakine keeps harassing him with his attacks and his army of copies and Dark Matter beings. Kakine's Dark Matter body is beyond the needs for food, water or sleep, so he's definitely above Natsu in stamina too. Plus he's going to keep creating Dark Matter during the fight that is going in turn to create more Dark Matter, so he's getting harder and harder to kill with every moment. Add to it that Natsu's best card, the Flame Dragon King mode, it's him using the remaining energy left by Igneel so he can't replenish it. Once it's gone, it's gone.
I got this passage from the novels:
Countless spears shot from the white puddle filling one section of the underground passageway. They accurately targeted Accelerator and Mugino Shizuri. They would be difficult to evade. And even if they succeeded, they had nowhere left to go. Kakine Teitoku's ultimate creation ability gave him as much time, resources and physical strength as he wanted. He was the worst possible enemy for Accelerator and Mugino Shizuri who had instantaneous firepower in the form of explosive destructive power.
They would eventually reach their limit, they would eventually find themselves cornered, and they would eventually lose their lives.
Kakine Teitoku did not have to worry about when or where that eventuality occurred. He only needed to wait for its arrival no matter how long it took. He did not have to worry about his own consumption. If he merely waited for victory to come his way, his wish would be granted. It was the ultimate wastefulness, the ultimate lazyness, and the ultimate desecration. The #2 had gained the ability to extend the idea of 'sitting and waiting' to a level where it threatened to bring humanity to extinction.
And this one:
"It's no use. Information is exchanged between the different blocks, but there is no direct connection. The blocks can freely communicate wihtout any direct wiring, so your attacks cannot reach me. I suppose it is similar to an electronic wiretapping system that intentionally crosses the wires via alien crosstalk. An attack across those lines cannot reach me because the lines are not actually connected."
"Then I will destroy it all."
"As you do, I will be expanding the network. With every piece expanding at the same time, it will expand exponentially".
Conclusion: Kakine wins this easily.
