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6-A Stat Revisions

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So, according to the Attack Potency page, the High End to Low End Ratio of the 6-A Tier is about 6x.


Assault Mode Meliodas was recently upgraded to baseline 6-A.


The One Escanor oneshotted AM Meliodas, so he should be 2-3 times stronger than Mel.


The Demon King and The Supreme Deity are 4x stronger than The One while at Half Power, so at Full Power they should be 8x stronger.


Proposed Ratings:


Half Power Demon King and Supreme Deity: 6-A+ instead of At least 6-A


Full Power Demon King and Supreme Deity: High 6-A


The One Escanor: 6-A+ instead of At least 6-A


I myself am somewhat unsure of Escanor's ranking and request input from other members on that.
 
PaChi2 said:
Reaching High 6-A from a high 6-B calc feels wrong.
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Well the Demon King and Supreme Deity are pretty much the God Tiers of the verse and scale to nobody, so it's not really that much of a stretch.
 
Imagine what we could end up with the Yu Yu Hakusho Top/God Tiers or most DBZ char. if the multipliers scaling were applied.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
We don't do multipliers like that. This is just a big fat no.
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If The Supreme Deity, in a heavily weakened state, was stated be 4 times more powerful than someone who already is At least 6-A, and according to our own AP Scale, 4 times would be on the high end of 6-A, while 8 times would be High 6-A, again, this is by going off of our own established AP Scale, why wouldn't she and The Demon King be 6-A+ and High 6-A?
 
Because, we don't use multipliers like that. Other wise Folder Continent Digimon would be 1000x stronger than their File Island counterparts and let's not get started with Dragon Ball.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
Because, we don't use multipliers like that. Other wise Folder Continent Digimon would be 1000x stronger than their File Island counterparts and let's not get started with Dragon Ball.
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Being "Hundreds", 'Thousands" or even "Millions of times stronger" than someone is almost always a hyperbole, with the only exception being The God of High School.

No one is talking about anyone being hundreds of times stronger than anyone. In the NNT verse, character's strength is described with explicit power-levels, so each of the characters have a set and measurable power, in a verse like this, multipliers actually make sense.

Again, Mel is baseline, Escanor oneshotted him, and The One's full power is just a 4th of a heavily weakened Supreme Deity's power.

The Attack Potency scale itself lists 5.8x as the official ratio for the Continent Tier

The Supreme Deity was explicitly explained to be 4x more powerful than The One while she was at 50% Power, which would make her 6-A+ in her weakened state and High 6-A at her full power since her 100% would be 8x The One

Which would be actually consistent with Meliodas' statement that The Demon King was so powerful that, even in his weakened state if Mel had his power, he would be unable to live in the normal world, implying that the Demon King is a Lifewiper.
 
The 1000x multiplier I mention was in fact not Hyperbole, it was indeed an official multiplier. Which we did not use. And once again, we don't use multipliers like this for DBZ nor YYH. NNT isn't getting it either.
 
If the multiplier scaling was applied for all verses, would upgrade many verses [Kinnikuman, Bleach and etc.] that has a similar multiplier xscaling/oneshot thing. I think it would be more safe for them to show a High 6-A feat, but whatenever.
 
If it's literally stated to be a fourth/half of their power, I don't see the issue
 
Our acceptance on multipliers is just....eh...

I'll make a thread about it. Unless someone does it before me.

tfw I use the multiplier for Digimon and get High 6-B (109.751917782 teratons) Champion levels...I wish...
 
I think that we accept Frieza saying that he was fighting at his 50% in final form as a legit x2 multiplier.

But we don't accept the power level being thousands of times higher as a multiplier.

Does this fall under the first or the second case?
 
Minor Nitpick with the OP

Assault Mode Mel is Not baseline 6A.

The baseline for 6A is Day Escanor who Assault Mel Stomped.
 
Gargoyle One said:
Minor Nitpick with the OP
Assault Mode Mel is Not baseline 6A.

The baseline for 6A is Day Escanor who Assault Mel Stomped.
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Oh right, sorry, I was slightly confused with the NNT Scaling Chain.
 
Gargoyle One said:
The One Escanor (Stomped)>>>>>>Assault Mel (Stomped)>>>>>>>>6A Day Escanor (Baseline)
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Right, because Late Morning Escanor drew blood from AM Mel and was far more powerful than Tarmiel.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
The 1000x multiplier I mention was in fact not Hyperbole, it was indeed an official multiplier. Which we did not use. And once again, we don't use multipliers like this for DBZ nor YYH. NNT isn't getting it either.
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So, why do we accept Jin Mo-Ri's 250,000x multiplier then?
 
Okay I'm coming out of my extended hybernation to give my take on this. Citing "Lol no it doesn't work for Dragon Ball lol so it cant be used" Is among the worst excuses I've ever heard. And I think I speak for a lot of people when we should stop using shit like Dragon Ball or whatever as a standard for scaling the rest of fiction.

It is also a massive Association fallacy, and Appeal to Tradition fallacy all in one, just because it doesn't work for one series, doesn't mean that's the case for another. That is just utter bullshit. And anyone with common sense should see that. And just because we've refused this sort of scaling for other series, so we should do so as well for another is equally nonsensical.

IE it's dishonest, and does not make any sense. And to be frank, this obnoxious line of thinking that we should always deny multipliers that are both stated, and come from one-shotting things is one of this site's biggest issues.

The fact that Staff can also throw around their power to manipulate stats to what they want/beleive couples with this issue. But that's not relevant.

Then again, if the thing about "The One" having 1/4'th the Supreme Diety's power comes from a Power Level estimation and not a direct statement. Then I'm against scaling the God-Tiers up.
 
The reason we bring this up is that we don't want to fall for double standards and as such we are very, VERY careful with these. Also, I don't like how you are basically saying "you are manipulating stats based on what you want to believe". When I really am not. Chill out with that bullshit.

It's not like I am biased torwards NNT. Matter of fact I am a fan of said verse. But I don't want a verse I like get accused of getting away with things that were denied for other verses. Hence why when I see there is an issue and controversy regarding a certain subject, I make sure my favorite verses can't even be used as an argument for a double standard.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
The reason we bring this up is that we don't want to fall for double standards and as such we are very, VERY careful with these. Also, I don't like how you are basically saying "you are manipulating stats based on what you want to believe". When I really am not. Chill out with that bullshit.
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I'm pretty sure that we don't use multipliers for certain series because they're absolutely rdiciulous/hyperboles (EG a multiplier of 100 or 200K or whatever) But there's no reason why a modest multipler of 4 that only applies to a God-Tier should be considered unreasonable.

You may not be manipulating stats. But it is an undeniable fact that it has happened on this site. I am perfectly calm, if anything you need to calm down, and cut the aggressiveness simpily because I am voicing a legitimate concern based on things that have happened on this site.
 
Yet the first thing you do is come on site and flat out make an accusation for no reason. Not, I am not going to take too kindly to that. I am simply not. Especially when you are talking to people who aren't trying to do so. I even said I want to make a thread on multipliers to get standards set in stone. But don't go coming up in here "voicing your concerns" in an accusatory way as if the ones here are manipulating stats. There is a time and a place to voice concerns. This by no means was one of them.
 
Again, a Multiplier of 4 is very modest compared to the shit Dragon Ball and other series pull. Especially since this one only applies to two God-Tiers.

I don't think this revision is unreasonable by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Just because it's small doesn't mean it's automatically okay. A legit 4x multiplier is no more legit than a 1000x multiplier or 50x. We have to be consistent here.
 
Based on what exactly? And please use a more convincing example then Dragon Ball.

Because a Multiplier of 1000x, or even 50x is absolutely ridiculous, and likely a hyperbole anyway. Bad comparison is bad. There's nothing wrong with a 4x Multiplier that only applies to two God-Tiers.

What "Consistentcy" exactly? Again, dragging other series down to the same standard as Dragon Ball just because it just so happens to be that way there.
 
If you look at it from another perspective, you're argueing that we shouldn't count multipliers for DB and for NNT instead just because NNT's numbers are smaller.
 
Multipliers should seriously be a Case by Case analysis. And not put all fiction in the same box because a couple of series that are known for '''extreme levels of wank''' happen to use it. It's utterly ridiculous.
 
I think you're misunderstanding what wank is. Wank is like saying Naruto can beat any anime protagonist ever. A series itself can't be wank because wank is something other people do to series. The 50x is not a hyperbole, the creator and the databooks both agree on it. To say it's not is silly when Kaioken is literally a multiplier technique. Goku could go Kaioken x20 and was still weaker than Frieza, but SSJ Goku stomped Frieza.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
Just because it's small doesn't mean it's automatically okay. A legit 4x multiplier is no more legit than a 1000x multiplier or 50x. We have to be consistent here.
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We do have to be consistent, but if it doesn't inflate results to such a degree why completely shove it aside?
 
That still doesn't mean anything to my point about case by case analysis for multipliers. So just because DB has its own reasons for multipliers not being accepted means that we should keep that line of thinking for all of fiction?

So you're implying that Dragon Ball's own standards are essentially the word of god when deciding how to scale other series?

It doesn't take a genius to see that as a huge Appeal to Tradition/Association Fallacy.
 
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