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Luffy vs the wrong crocodile (9-4)

I feel like siding with Krookodile for its numerous status effect abilities and its overall versatility giving it an edge over Luffy.
 
I'm pretty sure it's abilities won't work on Luffy thanks to his willpower. Aren't these supposed to fear based? Like leering, intimidating, scaring? They lower defences via fear Don't they?
 
Luffy should be pretty much inmune against fear based attacks but I won't say he is.

But Krookodile should have other debuffs besides the fear based.
 
Calaca Vs said:
Luffy should be pretty much inmune against fear based attacks but I won't say he is.
But Krookodile should have other debuffs besides the fear based.
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Does Krookodile in this thread have Anger Point? With Anger point, its attack raises to maximum potential if it takes a critical hit. And this is not fear-based attack (unlike Intimidate) but rather a statistic amplification to self. But only "hidden ability" Krookodiles have these abilities.
 
IDK if the AP gap becomes too big if it has. Anyway isn't Critical Hit a game mechanic?
 
Calaca Vs said:
IDK if the AP gap becomes too big if it has. Anyway isn't Critical Hit a game mechanic?
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Can get tricky by verse equalisation.

A critical hit brings more damage than a normal hit. If Luffy throws punches at varying degrees of force, the hit with a damage significantly above average should be treated as a critical hit imo.
 
Pretty sure with how you can assure a crit with a move that makes ypu aim (cant remember the name) that crits are hits that hit the enemy in a weakspot
 
IIRC Luffy is the kind of guy who looks for the strongest spot to subdue his enemies instead of the weakspot (Krieg's spear, Kuro's claws, Arlong's teeths and nose, Croco's hook, etc). I don't remember Luffy attacking on the weak spot (instead of Buggy's Damas).

Also he doesn't tend to aim AFAIK.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Pretty sure with how you can assure a crit with a move that makes ypu aim (cant remember the name) that crits are hits that hit the enemy in a weakspot
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Laser focus?

Also, Krookodile FRA
 
Kiryu2012 said:
I feel like siding with Krookodile for its numerous status effect abilities and its overall versatility giving it an edge over Luffy.
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are these really the reasons you guys are fraing? wow...

ok, Luffy takes this low or mid diff. Not only can increase his AP and dura with busoshoku haki, but can increase speed with gears. Luffy's blunt force trauma makes him take less damage from physical moves as well. With Kenbunshoku haki, Luffy can see what Krookodile will do before he does it. On top of all of this, Luffy is far more skilled with more experience.
 
Honestly from what I've read, Luffy not only has a range advantage, as Krook's ranged attacks are done via earthquake, meaning Luffy just needs to get off the ground, something he can do rather easily, and just continously pelt on Krook.
 
ok, Luffy takes this low or mid diff. Not only can increase his AP and dura with busoshoku haki, but can increase speed with gears. Luffy's blunt force trauma makes him take less damage from physical moves as well. With Kenbunshoku haki, Luffy can see what Krookodile will do before he does it. On top of all of this, Luffy is far more skilled with more experience.

Monkey increasing his AP would be a double-edged sword, due to Krookodile's swagger (which will temporarily incap Luffy) and foul play which hits like a truck after swagger/luffy's own boosts.

Speed boosting gets countered by scary face

Earthquake shouldn't care about Luffy's resistance, and also outranges Luffy

Also if Luffy ever gets a critical hit, which he's likely to do with his combat skill, Krookodile becomes at least 4x as powerful as before.

Finally, Krookodile has the initial AP and dura advantages, and the gap is made wider with intimidate which works passively.
 
@Gyronutz

krok is an untrained pokemon without a master he's also an rpg with no set character. what makes you say that krok will use status moves at the start of the battle (if at all)?

Speed boosting doesn't get countered by scary face. That would be like saying quick attack gets countered by scary face

Crits are pure game mechanics. why are you even arguing them?

lol no. The battle starts at 4km and Luffy has 13km range. In no way Luffy gets outranged

https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Krookodile_(Pokémon) most of krokodiles attacks are physical which means Luffy resists.
 
Btw, this isn't on Krook's profile, but it should have the black glasses as standard equipment, which increases the power all of its dark moves.
 
SSBXeno573 said:
krok is an untrained pokemon without a master he's also an rpg with no set character. what makes you say that krok will use status moves at the start of the battle (if at all)?

Speed boosting doesn't get countered by scary face. That would be like saying quick attack gets countered by scary face

Crits are pure game mechanics. why are you even arguing them?

lol no. The battle starts at 4km and Luffy has 13km range. In no way Luffy gets outranged

https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Krookodile_(Pokémon) most of krokodiles attacks are physical which means Luffy resists.
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All wild Pokemon have instinctual battling capabilities. Krookodile must have been a sandile at one point, so to get to its level, it naturally has more experience than most Pokemon. Also intimidate is passive

Yes it does. If Monkey wastes his time increasing his speed while Krookodile has severely reduced it, that's countering speed-boosting. Also false equivalency

Crits being random is game mechanics. However, if there's a way to define them being used in a battle, there's no reason why we should just consider them game-mechanics. Not to mention they appeared in the anime.

And Krook has 'tens of kilometers' as his range from attacks he can fire off right off the bat

No, Luffy doesn't resist physical moves. At most he resists 'contact' moves. Big difference
 
Scary face affects the speed stat not moves like quick attack and soru is a quick booht of speed in the midst of battle. Also, I doubt it's gonna nullify 2nd Gear as that's Luffy when he pumps his heart at dangerous speed. Unless you're gonna argue that scary face is going to stop luffy's heart from pumping.

It's not a false equivalence. https://youtu.be/UrCtdps-fKk Soru is a movement technique like quick attack that only lasts in short bursts.

Scans of it being used in the anime. Until then it's just hearsay

And Luffy has 13 kilometers in 4 kilometer battle.

Again most of Krok's moveset are physical. And no, Luffy resist physical moves like punches, kicks and bullets. Stuff that's not sharp.
 
Luffy: 3 (SSBXENO, EcchiOtaku, RotofBots).

Krook: 4 (Kiryu, Enryu, Gyro, TheArsenal).
 
SSBXeno573 said:
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Speed stat? Quick attack? You're arguing 100% game mechanics lol. Yes, in-game, scary face doesn't affect moves with increased priority, but in a vsbattle, scary face would slow down a quick attack user. Not saying it will nullify 2nd gear, I'm saying it'll make it so Luffy's would not have a net speed boost (and likely have a speed decrease)

Trip explained that Tranquil can land critical hits more frequently to Ash, for one example off the top of my head. I'll find evidence when I'm on my pc if really needed but it seems like you're denying it for the sake of denying it.

Cool, but that's through stretching his limbs. Like I said before, Krook has the advantage as he can immediately fire off earthquakes with a range of 10s of kilometers.

I've already debunked that. The things you listed are all contact-based. Luffy isn't gonna be resisting eq.

As a further advantage to Krook that isn't on his page, we consider Pokemon to have access to their egg moves, meaning that he has stuff like attack reflection at double damage (counter), immobilisation (mean look + sand tomb) and more versatility. Small advantage, but it adds up
 
GyroNutz said:
As a further advantage to Krook that isn't on his page, we consider Pokemon to have access to their egg moves, meaning that he has stuff like attack reflection at double damage (counter), immobilisation (mean look + sand tomb) and more versatility. Small advantage, but it adds up
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Where's the font of this?

I'll ask this time: Are fear-based attacks useful against enemies that show no fear at all?
 
Speed stat? Quick attack? You're arguing 100% game mechanics lol. Yes, in-game, scary face doesn't affect moves with increased priority, but in a vsbattle, scary face would slow down a quick attack user. Not saying it will nullify 2nd gear, I'm saying it'll make it so Luffy's would not have a net speed boost (and likely have a speed decrease)

Trip explained that Tranquil can land critical hits more frequently to Ash, for one example off the top of my head. I'll find evidence when I'm on my pc if really needed but it seems like you're denying it for the sake of denying it.

Cool, but that's through stretching his limbs. Like I said before, Krook has the advantage as he can immediately fire off earthquakes with a range of 10s of kilometers.

I've already debunked that. The things you listed are all contact-based. Luffy isn't gonna be resisting eq.

As a further advantage to Krook that isn't on his page, we consider Pokemon to have access to their egg moves, meaning that he has stuff like attack reflection at double damage (counter), immobilisation (mean look + sand tomb) and more versatility. Small advantage, but it adds up

Even if you did argue that Scary face slowed down Luffy, he still has precog and 2 speed enhancing techniques stacked. To say that it would lower both and take away both speed amps is a little too much.

Again, just hearsay until scans. Also, if what you are saying is legit, it's probably because tranquill has super luck.

He also has conqueror's haki which will affect him from kilometers away.

Yes, they are also physical hence why the term is "physical contact". Check a dictionary if you need to confirm this.

Luffy still has precog and incapacitation with haki. And I haven't even been arguing them. Precog makes less attack's from krok hit and krok gets incapacitated by conquerors.
 
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