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Captain of the Straw Hats (0) vs Captain of the Seven Deadly Sins (5)

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...dang this is good lmao. Luffy gets my vote for pretty much making all of Mel's magic abililties useless. Luffy can also increase his speed with gears but the thing is how fast is pre time skip luffy cause he only scales for blitzing someone who is faster than someone who reacted to lightning. He can also outpace Lucci. If Mel can use his hellfire then i change my vote to him dependign how fast Luffy is
 
I don't remember if Sealed Demon Meliodas can use Hellfire. Probably he does but we must wait for someone who can answer this.

Luffy: 1.

Meliodas: 0.
 
what im wondering is the sealed Mel that you mean the one who fought against base hindy cause if it is than yeah he has hellfire but we need to know what speed luffy scales above
 
anyone on the knowledable member list of NNT. I read all of it im just confused by the discription because we have a key for seal Mel with his sword and without his sword.
 
im gonna guess this is unarmed sealed demon since the key shows mel with hellfire in armed. Mel doesn't use hellfire in that unconscious demon form, just his shadow manip. Luffy fra
 
mel doesnt have shadow manipulation thats hellfire.sealed demon mel has a key with his sword so this is confusing as its not stated if this is unarmed mel or with his soul
 
hellfire and the darkness are two different things, if they were the same then Helbram would have caught on fire when mel was smacking him with a darkness covered sword
 
As I seen this is unarmed demon Meliodas. Judging by the key and the images in his profile.
 
Mel might blitz then since he is faster than his other forms in this one. I change my vote to him
 
mel has his rating because in a slower form he deflected lightning wouldn't they be around the same speed if we don't know how much faster mel got and Luffy is MHS because he blitzed a lightning timer?
 
i don't know the exact numbers but it's something like

Mel > Mel that deflected lightning

Luffy blitzes guy that can react to lightning

Mel doesn't use his counter magic in the unconscious demon form. Luffy can get faster with his gears while mel doesn't really have a power up in that form for during the fight.
 
you do know that luffy only blitz Blueno using gear 2 right??? Thats the whole reason he is rated at MHS. He wont get any faster. Also i just realized but the OP needs to say which Luffy this is because it can be base Luffy who gets smashed or gear 2 luffy who is mhs.
 
if this is base luffy and your assuming he will use gears is wrong becaue Mel would speed blitz him since he is only hypersonic in base lol
 
Not even close. Luffy intercepted Blueno mid Soru in base, and deflected his flying kick. In addition to somewhat keeping up with Lucci before being forced into G2.
 
gOOD MATCHUP I respect this


Ok so looking at these statistic's I feel as though Meliodias might be a quite a bit faster I mean he blitzed Galan who is calced at "Mach 1,921" So In blitzing I think it's safe to say Meliodas is Mach 2000+

However, Galan, He jumped at Mach 1921. That's not the same as being able to react to things at that speed and move consistently at that speed. Meliodas is fast though.

(670 616 629 miles per hour) speed of light that how fast kizaru move.

Luffy I think was able to notice him so slightly reacting but not fully cuz he was mid air

I'm going to do a "slight" calc if his base speed is 224,000 MPH then add that again he is around 448,000 MPH = gear 2 this is before time skip then lastly if we add the same multiplyers theoretically 672,000mph he is this fast currently I believe. which then translates to 875.9 Mach


So if I'm not mistaken this is a blitz but also I forgot the Haki calc which is around last time I checked (reactions speed btw) EXTREAMLY fast so if I had to vote maybe I am going with Meliodas via speed blitz for rn...


Should I say "I change my vote" It's under the grouns I am debunked in the speed calc, Luffy then wins via versitality
 
Luffy's 3rd key puts him at MHS in base and At Least MHS with Gear 2nd. Hypersonic Luffy's from being faster than Yama and that's Skypiea Luffy.
 
Calaca Vs said:
Luffy's 3rd key puts him at MHS in base and At Least MHS with Gear 2nd. Hypersonic Luffy's from being faster than Yama and that's Skypiea Luffy.
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If this is a responce to me I'm sorry didn't fully read the OP then I would then say I change my vote
 
If that calc is correct then Mel should be 3 times faster than Luffy. Isn't 10x a speedblitz?

No, it was a response to Astral. This one is a response to you.
 
The count is still:

Luffy: 1.

Mel: 1.

IDK if Grim voted for Mel or Luffy and Dziga didn't voted at all.

Changed to Marineford saga Luffy in the OP.
 
@Grim we aren't using that Mel. we're using the one from the time he broke out of the crystal and was shirtless and covered in darkness.
 
Sealed Demon Mel is the third key which is city level+ and he scales above his weaker safe that used full counter on the lightning
 
If Grim's calcs about Luffy are correct and Meliodas is somewhat faster than 800mph then the speed would be kinda equalized. MHS it's at most Mach 1000. Meliodas could be a little faster than Luffy but not at the blitzing point.
 
MHS can be mach 500 on up. We need numbers that are right and accepted. We know Demon Mel is faster than his base tho thats a fact and if luffy isnt as fast as mach 800 he gets beat not only because Me has the advantage with speed but also the AP advantage because he is City level plus
 
Calaca Vs said:
If Grim's calcs about Luffy are correct and Meliodas is somewhat faster than 800mph then the speed would be kinda equalized. MHS it's at most Mach 1000. Meliodas could be a little faster than Luffy but not at the blitzing point.
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False I don't know if I put 800MPH or Mach 800 but the calc scales to around mache 800 lmao I do not know why we are using that Luffy we should make this battle standard battle assumptions and equal level key for both
 
...if this was the last key for both this would be close due to a stump match lol mel would take that no contest
 
Sorry, I just realized that I misread the keys.

Changing to Fishman Island Luffy vs Sealed with Weapon Meliodas.

Hope that'd be more fair.
 
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