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Tsunayoshi Sawada vs Inuyasha

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oh snap othat flame huh lol. He may demolish him. Tsuna not only has the advantage with flight, Pre Cog, but he also has power null and energy absorption along with petrification and Ice that cant be melted without his flames. Then we got his healing abilities with gravity that can heal and make bones more durable if broken. Tsuna also is a pro at using the Earth flames in battle since he was able to use them as well as Enma his first time. NOt only is Tsuna a calm and collected person but in battle he is a genius at making plans and understanding how strong a person is and can also sense their powers
 
I've been reading precog, but I also remember it not being 100% nor being the best level of precog out there.
 
of course the best pre cog out there litereally lets you see into the future. A lot of people who have pre cog cant see into the future but it still gives them a big advantage in battle
 
It would create that big of an advantage, it's simply danger sensing. All it will do is put Tsuna more on guard. Not that I care much for this match to begin with.
 
I'm almost 100% certain that Tsuna have an advantage in almost everything, the only thing that worries me about Inuyasha is his BFR, which I also think Tsuna could avoid.

I vote for Tsuna.
 
Yeah, Tsuna' precog isn't really the best at all, on top of being fairly inconsistent. It's an inconsistent danger sense that allows him to make deductions faster.

That said, I don't think Inuyasha has the tools to take down Tsuna here, given that he can absorb most of his attacks, put him down with gravity hax, and kinda just wail on him from there. Also, his gravity coating doesn't heal him. It just binds his broken bones so he can continue fighting. His bones are still broken.
 
Is Tsuna the new spamable character now? He is certainly up there in my favorite anime characters list simply because I like the verse as a whole, but dang. Use Hibari and Gokudera or Yamamoto, lol. They're all the same tier.
 
Well,that's make the vote for Tsuna become sixs.

You know what,gonna contacting with Inuyasha nerd's to come here,i didn't want this become an easy win for Tsuna,Inuyasha need an good argument.
 
Use Yamamoto or Bykuran or Enma lol those my favorite ones besides Tsuna and Gokudera and the guy with the Sun flames he'll lmao the whole Vongola family are some of the most lovable characters in all of Anime and Shonen and Shonen battle anime
 
InuYasha is not strong, but has one of the most effective vscombat spammable hax under his belt.Fighting a full powered InuYasha and winning basically boils down to whether or not you can deal with Meidou.

So my question is: Can Tsuna deal with Meidou? Here is how it works:

- It is a dimensional BFR move which sends people to literal hell

- It works either when struck with a sword (even when the sword strike got blocked, had no effect, caused no damage etc.)

- or more prominent used, as a spamable, long range, orb, reaching and dwarving the size of mountains

- it BFRs not only people but objects, materia, attacks and even other dimensional moves

- It also works on intangible beings

- its upgraded long range form is no longer an orb but takes the form of blades, and spatial cuts and dimensional BFRs people who even are actually immune to dimensional BFR (and dozens of blades can be spammed at the same time)

- instead of working with a swordstrike or a long range attack it can also be summoned exactly at the users wanted destination (right at the enemies location without needing to travel there for example)

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If Tsuna can deal with that I give him the win. If not, I dont see how his shenanigans and actual advantage in any other stat would help him when Inuyasha launches 10+ Montain sized literal portals to another dimension right at his location, negating and swallowing every single move he does in an attempt to retalitate, regardless how powerful they technicaly would be.
 
I was looking for something of the sort on his page honestly.

Would you be able to provide scans of any of the above please? It's a bit hard imagining it simply through the words you've provided here, though the information is much appreciated, and having such wide AoE that BFR's is certainly something that could sway my vote. Only thing I'd say is that if the portals are formed using Yoki, Tsuna might be able to absorb them. (I'm not sure if he can just blast through them, as he did when Enma transformed into a black hole). However, Tsuna also has an island sized AoE blast as well, that may destroy such portals. Not sure, but it also doesn't address any of your other points, which do indeed sway things quite a bit.

Maybe Inuyasha will be the next character to be spammed, lol.
 
Yeah, Raven said it best; never underestimate the power of Meido. Not only can it BFR foes to hell, but it can even kill beings like Naraku. It bypasses Low-Godly Regenerationn, it target those with Spatial Intangibility, and can basically cause existence erasure. Voting InuYasha for those reasons.
 
Litentric Teon said:
Maybe Inuyasha will be the next character to be spammed, lol.
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Tsuna already spammed alot these day,holy shit.....i mean before that he's really obscure,if that case then Inuyasha might can.
 
Since I was the one who provided the basic explanation for Meidou I think its just fair that I also have to provide the scans to underline the said points, as requested.

First of all: The explanation of the technique

https://i.imgur.com/vvzgUYn.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/LZnE04J.jpg

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Here we can see that it works, regardless of the actual strike in a close combat situation being effective or not, the technique works either way. Be it blocked or causing no damage. It ignores defense and durability.

https://i.imgur.com/H833ore.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/oHJ9mte.jpg

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Close combat Meidou was the very first usage of it however the way more dangerous applications are the following:

To give you an impression of its size: Here it dwarfes two nearby Mountains

https://i.imgur.com/Dqi1q31.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rrqoTBQ.jpg

Later it is used against Naraku before he Merged with the Shikon Jewel. His body is kilometers in size and Meidou covered a large part of it.

When used, it BFRs everything. Every attack, be it tangible or intangible, made out of materia or even of spatial nature. This works so that it does not cancel out with the incoming attack but simply swallows whatever is thrown at it and continues on

https://i.imgur.com/FcU7mVg.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/1ZS5LPs.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/utKbEhh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ufSFJv1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Tva19mU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/n2bKCtM.jpg

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Very important: It can be opened directly quasi-inside the enemy, bypassing intangibility, and causing the enemy to be dimensionaly BFRd - pictures: Intangible demon being literal water - Meidou dealing with him as he Meidous him with a summoned Meidou in the middle of his body

https://i.imgur.com/2utImYj.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ul4PCIa.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/O8TpyRU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/vuFhsbA.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/oyhI7gL.jpg

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It can be spammed dozens of attacks at the same time which will spatialy cut and BFR even when you yourself have protection against spatial attacks and BFRs regulary

https://i.imgur.com/DY5ztKD.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/uNPwDCm.jpg


Its a very detailed explained ability with a lot of vsbattle proefficency due to its nature of being able to be casted instantly at the opponents location / in his body / being unblockable / swallowing everything without stopping (launched Meidous were seen to travel all the way to the horizon after having travelled through mountains for example) and negating every form of counter measures, even if the counter measures are of spatial nature themselves.
 
@Raven

Thank you for the thorough explanation. It's much appreciated. Though, minus the last two scans, all of the above was done by Inuyasha's brother, as opposed to Inuyasha himself. To be fair, I can really only go off of the last scan for what Inuyasha himself can do with the technique, though the first two scans do provide some much needed analysis on how it works. Which is, once again, much appreciated.

In spite of this amazing hax, I just can't see him resisting gravity manipulation. It made an enemy stronger than Tsuna and Enma put together literally unable to move. If he could do that to someone stronger, then I see no reason why he can't do it to someone around his level. I honestly doubt that Inuyasha would be able to raise his sword in the face of it.

Other than the gravity manip, Inuyasha's BFR techniques that you revealed would take it pretty handily, though Tsuna's flight and quick bursts would help him a bit, in particular since they're reminiscent of Enma's gravity spheres, which also had the ability to suck things within (though not to an alternate dimension). Perhaps the thread where he fought Baam needs to be re-evalutated. As such a thing wasn't brought forth.
 
No problem, I am not usually active in vsbattles and simply provided the knowledge after I got asked for input on my wall.

Inuyasha has access to all the abilities his brother has, due to Tessaiga having completely absorbed Tensaigas Meidou Power as it was intended by the brothers father.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2cmLGDUN_4c/To2pYXN7Y2I/AAAAAAAAARg/Wl8FvE6edAI/s0/015.png

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gh_m1RFPnBg/To2pZwOQW1I/AAAAAAAAARk/rnIpzrI8foA/s0/016.png

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gjHl9RpqDt4/To2pbLl0nII/AAAAAAAAARs/eivRW2mECZY/s0/017.png

Sesshoumaru mastered Meidou, handed it to InuYasha and the latter improved it one step further.

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One thing I am interested at is how freely and in what time of a fight does Tsuna uses his gravity based attacks? For example, Meidou is an attack InuYasha immediately spams to kill. It is not a last resort nor something he hesitates to use. Similar to his brother, albeit with a little less murderous intent, he will use his best and unavoidable technique right of the bat.

Can you give us any input under what circumstances Tsuna has used his gravity attacks?

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I dont know about the Baam fight. You may be right but from my understanding only the EOS version gets the Meidou. Not the low 7B one.
 
Ah, gotcha, then perhaps the fight should stay.

Tsuna really only uses his gravity hax in one of three ways. To make it so he can continue fighting wit broken bones, to condense his X-Burner down to essentially one shot, or to pin someone in place as he did Daemon Spade. When he realized he got the ability, pinning Daemon down was the first thing he did to prevent him from escaping, so it's likely safe to assume he'll start with it, or very quickly deduce that using it will be necessary, given that this is his Oath Flame form. (Final Arc Tsuna is a bit of a different story).

Pinning Daemon Dow (Apologies for it not being in English)

Daemon is still pinned (Next page)
 
InuYasha's version of Meido is actually far superior to Sesshy's version, just a heads up. Sesshy tpyically only used the Crescent Moon version and can only summon the full moon version when InuYasha is nearby, whereas InuYasha once he had Black Tessaiga was always the full moon version.
 
It's not like it can't be dodged. Minus the mountain sized ones, but even then, given enough distance and Tsuna's flight, he at least has potential to avoid it.

And Tsuna squeezing his hand together is faster than swinging an entire sword.
 
@Gargoyle, well yes, but it's InuYasha in this thread. Also, didn't Inuyasha also actually travel through the Underworld using the Meido? Still, considering Naraku appears way harder to hit than Tsuna does, I'm positive Meido could very well engulf Tsuna before he flies away.
 
Thanks for the information regarding the gravity. From what you wrote and showed 2 of its usages are not really helping in this fight, seeing how its unlikely InuYashas attacks would even cause Tsunas bones to be fractured in the first place, or that he needs to boost himself for a guaranteed oneshot.

The immobility is different and would surely work. However the question remains how generous he is in immediately using it. After that particular fight, how often has he used it as an opener in future fights?

Would Tsuna be able to somehow bypass Meidou being summoned right at his location? Its not just a forward momentum trajectory which travels from point A (InuYasha) to point B (Tsuna) with time to dodge, but also a very potent instant cast directly at position B (the very big mountain sized Meidou for example was summoned specifically at that location to swallow everything, The opponent. His attacks. The environment surrounding it).
 
Tsuna tends not to use his ability to pin people down as much, though that's in part because those he fights can either blitz him with sheer speed, or blitz him through portals. Namely, his father, Bermuda, and Jager. Though his condensed X-Burner was used against Jager, but only once two of Tsuna's guardians were holding him down. As he couldn't pin him due to his inferior speed, as well as portal spam.


As far at the BFR technique instantly appearing at his location, I can't say that Tsuna has a counter per say, though, he does have experience with something similar. That being Enma spawing black holes all around him. While perhaps not as large, they are still extremely close to him, and he was able to control his flying and bursts to such an extent as to not be sucked in.


One instance of him flying by the "black holes"

Enma himself turns into a black hole and Tsuna bursts backwards

Tsuna blasting the black hole with an XX Burner (I know it doesn't make much sense, the black hole should've sucked it up, but it didn't. I'm only bringing this up as he might be able to do the same to Meidou. In particular given that his largest XX Burner covered an island)

Enma's black hole spheres (Granted, some of these did indeed hit, or rather he was caught by their gravity, but this was also before he decided to start bursting. And he was caught trying to not hurt his friend)

Enma's black holes


Tsuna bursting from the gravity of a black hole (Granted, cambio forma helps on the next page, merely by summoning it, he seems to get an overall stat increase)

Just to note, despite what Reborn says, the black holes are hyperbole (Despite there being a second, oddly consistent LS feat later on from Bermuda. But as you can see, those black holes clearly hold nowhere near the gravity of a star).
 
Thank you for taking the time to post all these things. I think in the end this boils down to determining the likelihood of attacks and abilities being used in the right moment and synergy.

We agree that outside of Meidou InuYashas chances are slim to non-existant (is Tsuna of demonic or spiritual nature? If yes, then InuYasha has another 1shot technique up his belt)

With Meidou, his chances rise dramatically however, seeing the flexibility and versatility of the technique and Tsuna not having countermeasures for it per se. I will go ahead and state that xBuner can not break through a Meidou, as a Meidou is, unlike the black holes appear to be, not an actual attack with mass or force which can be pushed against but instead it is a floating portal to another dimension in itself. If Tsuna can come back from another dimension or xBurner has shown to destroy dimensional barriers then I would grant Tsuna the benefit of the doubt, however without that I think it works as shown.

Tsuna has a potent method to bypass the use of Meidou with his gravity powers. If he were to immobilize InuYasha right from the start he surely wins the fight due to the one key ability of InuYasha being prevented from launching.

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The problem I see with that is that in this fight we assume there is no intel given to the combatans. As such Tsuna does not know about the danger of Meidou. He does not know that his very first course of action would have to bee to immobilize his enemy with his gravity powers. And without that knowledge I dont see it likely it will be the first thing he does.

InuYasha on the other hand is - as weird as it sound - too stupid to think in such nuances. He uses his most prominent move right off the bat to end a possible dangerous fight.

With knowledge: Tsuna wins due to waving his hand to activate his gravity, stopping Meidou from being launched

Without knowledge: InuYasha wins due to Meidou spam immediately at Tsunas location

Thats my take on the matter
 
Of course.

You're correct. If Tsuna had the ability to destroy portals, then beating this guy, likely would've been all too simple.


The way I see it is, it's a toss up as to whether or not Tsuna will start with gravity manipulation. As for Inuyasha, it honestly depends on what variant of the technique that he starts with. If he starts with the kind that can be dodged, then it's likely that Tsuna will be very likely to immediately deduce with his hyper intuition that he'll need to stop his sword swings and will resort to gravity manipulation. However, if Inuyasha starts with the massive AoE version of the technique, aside from boosting himself with cambio forma, there isn't much Tsuna can do. I believe this forces a more inconclusive scenario as it's reliant on what version of the technique that Inuyasha opts for first.

Tsuna is actually just a "regular" human. The dying will flames seem to be spiritual in nature, seeing as how he killed a spirit with them before, and they're tied to the afterlife. Someone being "reborn" after being shot by the dying will bullet, in order to remove their regrets with their dying will. Such as when Tsuna confessed to his crush in his boxers.
 
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