Mega man X Vs Composite link BLUE ARMOR VS GREEN TUNIC 7/7/0 (nconclusive)

To commemorate link´s 4-B rating,i will put him to fight againts my second favourite videogame character

4-B versions

SBA

Speed equalized

And tell me if Geo Estelar is a better match-up.


X :7

Link: 7


Link?

This is a tricky fight but I think Link outhaxes X though black holes will give Link some trouble.

Also, what does SBA mean?

standart battle assumptions

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This is a pretty cool match actually. No kidding, the idea is cool for how different their fighting styles actually are.

LONG ASS POST AHEAD


A couple of questions first:

-It's composite X, right? I mean, it's fair given it's composite Link using all his tools and weapons, skills and abilities, so X should have access to all his weapons, armors, trinkets and experiences (that would be Z-Era X).

-Does X have access to the Mother Elf? This is a huge asset for X so it's important to know.

-How do they measure up in AP and Durability? Who stronger and more resistant and by how much?


Okay, how I see things:

Link is pretty versatile, everyone knows that, but it's close combat where he shines the most and his ranged combat while excellent is, for the most part, in assistance of his close ranged one. X, on the other hand, is an expert martial artist and has skill with short-range weapons as seen he has his own spin with the Z-Saber, but he is first and foremost a marksman and most of his fighting style revolves around keeping his distance and gunning down his opponent with his varied weapons. Both share similar aspect in strategies: scouting for openings or weak points, analyzing patterns and looking for the best tactics to exploit them
(noticeably, taking advantage when enemies seem vulnerable, stop or seem to be preparing an attack). From what I see here, the fight would be mostly trying to stay away from Link and attack from afar, while Link tries to close in and get an infight, using his own projectiles to fight back but also to help him to close in.

Individually:

Link:

Pros:

-Important advantage at close combat
-Has ways of one shotting X with the Ancient Arrow and the Annihilator
-Does have ways of closing in like the Hookshot and variations and the Magnetic Gloves (though, apparently, he can't use the gloves and the Shield and the same time so he has to switch between them)
-Resists Elemental Damage, allowing him to hold on against several of X's weapons
-More reliable healing, magic restoring and Regenerationn and a much larger pool of it.
-More versatile hax with a much larger arsenal
-Mirror Shield and barriers can deflect a good part of X energy projectiles -Can set up traps with several of his items to control terrai
-Nobuyuki Hiyama

Cons:

-Lower stamina
-Limited ammo and magic despite having large amounts of both
-Outclassed at long range combat
-Most if not all of his projectiles can be stopped or blocked

X

Pros:

-Important advantage at ranged combat
-Has many ways to keep his distance, push Link away or escape if caught.
-Has many shields and defenses of his own to protect himself from incoming projectiles and attacks to keep his long-range advantage. Can also shot down projectiles thrown at him, even energy ones thanks to chips, parts, armor parts and shields, and barriers.
-Unlimited Ammo thanks to the X8's Ultimate Armor and the Fourth Armor (assuming composite X is used). Fourth Armor does spend weapon energy on charged special weapons, but the X8 Ultimate Armor does indeed give unlimited ammo even on charged uses. -Essentially unlimited stamina thanks to the mother elf (and incredibly high on his own too)
-Many of his projectiles can work around the Mirror Shield, being explosives, blades, liquids, liquids and the black holes.
-Several of his weapons break barriers and defenses. -Parts, Chips and certain armor parts allow for quick charge of special weapons adding versatility.
-Absolute Zero and Heat Attacks may be deadly to Link (I may be wrong on this one, though, correct me if I am wrong, but Link's profile, while it does state he resists Ice and Fire manipulation, it doesn't mention Absolute Zero and X's fire has been stated to
be hotter than the Earth's Core and Absolute Zero temperatures, and resistances are not immunities unless explicitly so).
-Flight thanks to the Falcon Armor's Foot Parts (Assuming this is composite X)
-Is debatably agiler? (Not faster, given speed is equalized, but X's fighting style does involve a lot of dashing, wall climbing, jumping, multi air dashing and running around while attacking)


Cons:

-Outclassed at close combat, though not helpless and can fight back, but if things drag out Link has it in the bag.
-Own Regenerationn can be stopped by the Master Sword
-Much more limited healing
-Energy Projectiles can be reflected by the Mirror Shield while Metallic Ones can be repelled with the magnetic gloves
-Being made of metal the Magnetic Gloves can be an issue
-No longer voiced by Mark Gatha, more relevant in his case given unlike Link who is a silent hero, it becomes noticeable as X keeps speaking roles.

This is assuming X does have the Shoryuken, the Hadouken and the Nova Strike, but taking their One Hit Kill as gameplay as well as X's ability to use non-stop the Nova Strike (and that it recharges during battle instead).

Neutral:

-Both resist each other's mind and soul manipulation. Both are immune to time slow and stop and transmutation.

-Both seem to be around equally experienced. Maaaaaaaaybe, X has an edge here by virtue of having been fighting all sort of Mavericks non stop for over a century and then jumping straight into the Elf Wars for another 4. However, you could argue that Link, despite less time fighting, has faced more varied enemies due to having more games. Still, given the nature of each side (full technology vs magic with technological bits) they can surprise each other perfectly well.

If you ask me this could go either way, I almost would even say it would be inconclusive. But, I guess I'll barely go with X on this one mostly because if he plays his cards right he can outlast Link. Speed is equalized and assuming both are even in terms of power and durability or at least even enough to avoid easy one shootings, X has two big advantages: much higher stamina and unlimited ammo. While Link can fight offensively or defensively perfectly fine as however he needs, X is a much more defensive fighter (something the games themselves tell the player and even encourage) and given how good his long-range combat is his endurance advantage can prove key; he can play it safe to avoid Link's most lethal moves and still slowly crawl to his victory, Link on the other hand by being defensive can avoid all risks but won't get anywhere and will eventually tire out, his option is to
take more risks and spend more of his resources and energy in trying to catch X and finish him off in Close Combat where he has a huge advantage.

Huff... long post is long... Keep in mind this is how I see things. I may be missing things given Link has 1000+ gadgets in his belt already is hard to keep track of all of them if you have missed a Zelda game =P

You forgot about Lonk's 3 day invulnerability ovo.

I did think about it, X can actually keep fighting for that long.O_O

In all seriousness, they're dead equal in AP, though Link is potentially 16x more durable depending if he wants to wear his red gear.

Kinda what I thought. Well, X can also pile up defensive boosts to cut down damage by like 8x if one includes barriers and such, but not much of a point since the deal is not getting hit and Link does have OHK stuff.

This is like playing an absurdly hard boss battle, the ones that make your hands sweat. XD

EDIT: Their feats to get their 4-B tier are pretty similar, aren't they? In X's case is resisting the collapse of Lumine's dimension and in Link's was the Dark World, both places large enough to contain a sun.

Question: when Speed is equalized speed boosts and decreases aren't allowed, right?

Oh, here here. I agree. Not even how I haven't voted yet lol, and am just covering bases.

Fi should be able to read X like a book tho.

I guess? Dunno, sadly my Wii broke down as I was beginning Skyward Sword -_- So I dunno much about Fi outside her Kung Fu Light Skating (which was awesome)

I guess it's allowed for Link to have one of his usual partners with him, especially if X is allowed to have the Mother Elf. I mean, TC hasn't said anything regarding that issue.

I mean, considering Fi is his sword...lol

Lol, I had forgotten about that. Was thinking in a Navi/Midna like situation.

i always think zero would be a better match up for link

X can use everyrhing in his profile

and I didn´t use zero because he had fights againts superman,thor,cloud ect

and we have X fighting a pony,X needs more attetion

And thanks Tarta for your amazing vote n_n

X has probably fought a higher variety of enemies. X has less games, sure, but he fights eight unique enemies in each game, not even counting fortress bosses. X FRA, beacuse I have nothing else to mention other than that.

I do not know much about Zelda universe

But if link try to keep melee combat against X, he could just fly away with one of his armor. And if link uses one of its ranged attacks, X has several ways to block them with black hole and some abilities that work as shield. Or instead he could just dodge them with greater agility

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Reasoning seems solid enough in X's favour. I don't think it would be simple given Link is highly intelligent fighter to realize the risks, but our blue bomber does have the tools to pull it off. All in all aside defense several of his barriers also damage enemies to prevent approaches, like the charged Rolling Shield, Crescent Shot, Bubble Spray and Drift Diamond.

I never quite got something: his charged Crystal Hunter is a Time Slowdown or is a Bullet Time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17gHU648yzQ (3:35) Given his resistance to Time Manipulation (and that he himself is using the attack) it seems weird he would be slowed down by it. But I could be wrong.

In case the Mother Elf Hax is brought up: The data and biological manipulation was mostly for reploids and viruses as well, right?. Still gives X almost limitless stamina, one hell of a healing factor (reason why Omega was impossible to put down until Zero came back), and speed (though this doesn't matter with Speed Equalized).

Now, does as Tarta asked does Link resist Absoulte Zero, Earth's Core Heat, Paralysis and also Matter Manipulation? Because if he doesn't X may have some key plays in his favour there.

So all in all I'll go with X on this one. Sorry for the wordy post, but eh, my two cents.

Good to know I am not the only one with a big mouth here. Pretty cool video you found BTW. Also shows X has weapons that can also work as traps to control the field. EDIT: Dude, I didn't remember X had so many full screen attacks and weapons that shot from behind or weird angles, not needing to be aimed.

I also found a take on this matchup though it differs from my reasoning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o8nKCnDt-g

SPOILER:

The game looks awesome.

That thing got released in the end?! Sweet!

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Link via sealing

Actually, that's not true Cal. Link is like 1.02 kilofoe iirc. X is casually 1.2 Kilofoe. Giving X the Dark Elf (which is equal to or somewhat stronger than he is at his peak in MMZ, who should be much stronger than X Era X if he's at all comparable to Zero) gives him a decent AP advantage

Aside from the reasons above, (I think) Ancient Arrow is Existence Erasure. This would not work because Cyber Elves have that and X held his own against The Mother Elf.

There's a lot on both sides, but I'm gonna have to say that X would win. The gap between their ranged combat is bigger than the gap between their close combat, X should be decently stronger, and he has more viable hax to use such as Absolute Zero. I could go longer but much has already been said.

Actually Link's AP should be the same as Lumine I believe.

The calc was a bit lower iirc.

But either way, X tanked the full force of it at point blank range casually

@Kazuma

Geo would slaughter Link. hes casually 300x stronger than Link (Finalized Noise >> Sirius (casually 100.129 kilofoe), Meteor G and Kelvin fused, all of whom should be comparable) and he's haxed in his own right.

They're scaled from literally the exact same feat. Link's feat is more casual than X's, if anything, due to Triforce's feat being via existence while Lumine exerts energy.

You're right about what the arrows are, but that's not how resistances work...

Anywho, probably gonna give it to Link, high diff. Now, both seemingly have the same mindset against enemies, with seeing what they'd be weak to. Factoring in resistances in both sides, Link's hax seems to be better, due to his many forms of transmutation, namely the Spell spell (yes, the spell is actually called Spell), which isn't a projectile. Same with his BFR. And there's a chance that his time stop might bypass X's resistance with the Clock, as its indefinite length severely outdoes what X resisted with Dark Hold. While ABZ ice and black holes would indeed off Link, they still need to connect, and the former can be absorbed by the Mirror Shield. Due to Fi's good information analysis, Link is going to be one step ahead of X, and will use his more potent abilities like the above or the Ancient Arrows quicker due to that.

If you take out hax, I'd probably still give it to Link. Both have enough experience to render any advantage moot. There's still Fi (and Ezlo), as I said above, so he'd be able to figure out X's weaknesses before vice versa. So that close combat Both have a massive array of weapons, but Link definitely has more, with a good amount of X's getting outright no-sold. Link's buffs are better than X's chips and parts. Red Ring + Red Mail will increase his durability by 16x, Fierce Deity Mask ups stats by a hilarious, albeit unquantifiable amount, and many many many more. While some things may not get reflected by the Mirror Shield, they still get stopped by the Hylian Shield, and given Link's almost always equipped with it, it is a greater defensive option than X's barriers. If X plays it long range, it does neuter Link, but it can also prompt him into using instant long range hitting attacks like the Thunder spell.

Another thing that was brought up quite a bit was stamina as well, which I can safely say X has the advantage in. However, the fight has no reason to go long enough that X just outlasts him when even Young Link could fight for a day straigh, and the fight would last an hour at best. And I don't think that X would really be doing that hot with Link's invincibility (that's not an NLF here due to similar AP) lasting as long as the fight will. And there really isn't a counter if Link puts on the Stone Mask and leaves it on.

Phoenix821 said:

Actually Link's AP should be the same as Lumine I believe.

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Thats the mmz X, which is Far stronger than MMX8's X. Mother Elf Alone is already solar system level

I won´t count asuka´s vote because "via sealing" for me is like giving no reason

I Will say that if X notice that Link somehow is "invisible" (because is not becoming invisible but "being as interesting as a rock") for the stone mask,he will play super defensive,he will try to fight like he fought againts cyber peacock,a maverick who fought teleporting,then attacking and teleporting again so he was only 2 or 3 seconds vulnerable ,so X will be using barriers and trying to counter

Also,half of his specials weapons have a charged shot with inmensive AoE ,so being "invisible" can be countered

How is that not how resistances work? All Cyber Elf abilities are based on Mother Elf who attacks similarly to those elves at times

Also, X doesn't really have any exploitable weaknesses

@Cal

I don´t think Link can bypass X´s time immunity, X doesn´t move in frozen time any longer because Dark Hold runs out, not because his immunity fails. If anything, if Link's time stopping affected previously immune enemies then it would be different.

I was considering the Mirror Shield like it was as sturdy as the Hylian Shield but with the additional effect of reflecting energy, actually. Just like how it works in OoT. What I was fully aware that Link can protect and avoid X's weapons for the most part, but nailing apparently indestructible enemies during small openings or small windows for weak points is pretty much how you play most X games, it´s one of X´s schticks (just like Link actually). The Hylian Shield would allow X to spam shots more safely if anything, and Link does have to cover himself of course. X has many projectiles that don't hit directly or travel from him to the enemy (most of his X6 charged attacks), reason why Link has to rely on other defensive gears as well as dodging and parrying. As mentioned earlier, X has many AoE attacks and homing attacks as well, Link unless is using specific items isn't invulnerable with the Shield alone, being hit in the back while blocking in one direction actually isn't that impossible.

If we factor defensive multipliers, X also has pretty good gear in that regard: Armor Parts halve damage, the Shock Buffer (X7 version) halves damage again, the X3 Armor creates a forcefield when X is hit that reduces damage by half again (with the head chip or Golden Armor), the Hermes Armor's X Drive is an upgrade mode that doubles the effectiveness of all his armor parts. This sole combination gives X a x16 reduction as well, or even higher if you apply the X-Drive to the base boosts one for one. Like Link, X also has several attack boosting stuff to use.

The Xtreme Hyper Dash part makes X invincible when dashing.

Well, I may be missing something on this one (still haven't played Majora's Mask, but I really want to), so correct me if I´m wrong: but when using the Fierce Deity Mask, doesn´t Link stops using his shield to use the Helix Sword with both hands and is unable to use sub items? Not to mention it drains his magic slowly when using the sword beams. It essentially sacrifices Link's protection and versatility for more power.

IIRC the Mother Elf does protect X from transmutation, on top of his already biological manipulation resistance, thanks to the effects of several cyber elves.

Fi's advice comes from some scan like ability that reveals about the enemy or is she just really knowledgeable about the world and imparts said wisdom with Link? (haven´t played Skyward Sword either, my Wii broke down -_-). If it´s the first then it would give Link and edge on how to fight, but otherwise unless Fi has some sort of precognition it doesn't give Link the victory given X doesn't really follow patterns like bosses, all his weapons can be switched on the fly without warning or buildup, and charging is the closest thing to buildup he gives. Color change is there, but changing right before shooting and changing back is perfectly possible.

The issue with Spell (lol, really was this the original name or just a mistranslation?) and Lightning is also the big cost of magic the have for Link, also unless Link hits X with the Silver Arrows (which X can block or shoot down) or the Master Sword (more viable, but X will avoid close combat), X can renerate damage (and heal himself, though not as much as Link can). Also X has parts that reduce stun and stagger effects on him (X8 armor nullifies it in game, but I guess it should be taken as X being just highly resistant to pain when damaged), so Link can't just spam the spell either carelessly or he will get countered.

If Link becomes invincible X will simply hang back and wait, just like in the games. He can even concentrate more on defense and his own protection. Not to mention that invicibility granting items quickly drain Link's magic, needing to refuel and also potentially distrupting his other magic attacks.

The Stone Mask doesn't work on all enemies, be it stronger like bosses or more skilled like Gerudo Pirates. X also has radars in his head parts, especifically the X2 helm part has a function that signals anything strange in his surroundings, even if it's invisible. Not to mention AoE attacks and homing ones if he needs as well.

If you actually read through all my nonsense you have my thanks, BTW. Not being ironic, but I really should stop using walls of text so much >_>

LOL

I did read through it, and I respect every bit of your input lol.

If we're compositing link, then Link FRA