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Note: I don't expect this to be resolved until later. I'm just putting it out there now so I can get the general ideas down.
I have some major issues with Oryx's profile. A lot of it is lacking context or proper justification, which will be needed if a lot of stuff isn't to be changed or removed. I'll make a list telling if something is just straight up wrong or if it could be right but needs to be clarified.
Immortality: Type 2 is redundant, 7 and 8 aren't accurate, and 9 only applies to his material self. If his true self dies, that's it.
Regenerationn: Mid-Godly is completely false. Oryx's material form has Low-Godly based on his true essence existing in his Throne World, but it is not like he can come back immediately. His throne world self does not have Low-Godly regen (since said regen would be based on...himself), and if he dies there, he's gone. He only survives this by any means due to a fraction of his essence being connected to a weapon you can get.
Law Manipulation and Conceptual Manipulation: Only his true self has this in his throne world. His material self does not. It may also be more safe to just lump both under "Law Manipulation", which is more of what I remember him doing. Could be wrong on that last part, though.
Acausality: Again, pretty sure this only applies to his true self.
Death Manipulation: His death manipulation does not kill concepts or negate mid-godly. I have no idea where this is from.
Power Nullification: I don't remember his material self doing this, but I could be wrong. Help with this one would be appreciated.
Reactive Evolution and Reactive Power Level: Same as above. Don't remember this being showcased, but it could have been.
Nigh-Omnipresence: Never demonstrated, at all. He can be fought, dodged, and damaged normally. He's not some sort of nigh-omnipresent entity.
Abstract Existence: Only applies to his true self.
Summoning and Statistics Reduction: Accurate, but for some reason he has them listed twice.
Gravity Manipulation: Don't remember this, but could be wrong.
Pocket Reality Manipulation: Should apply only to his true self.
Non-Corporeal: Applies only to his true self. His material projection is...well, material.
Resistance Negation: I don't really know what this one is supposed to mean in context, as there's not really anything further than this.
Resistance to Reality Warping, Conceptual Manipulation, and Law Manipulation: One of the reasons given for these is that Oryx killed Akka. However, he did not resist anything, in this scenario. He killed Akka specifically because Sword Logic allowed him to do so, which is more an example of Oryx's own Law Manipulation. Oryx withstanding the power of his daughters is more an example of his Sword Logic > theirs, which would more likely just be resistance to Law Manipultion via countering it with his own.
Resistance to Existence Erasure: I don't recall him ever displaying this.
Resistance to Statistics Reduction: Or this.
Resistance to Power Nullification: Or this, either. On top of that, the reasons given are that he wasn't powernulled by the Guardians, who powernulled Atheon. I'm pretty sure that isn't remotely what happened, as Atheon was still perfectly capable of using its time powers during the battle. It seems that at best, one could argue that Oryx could use Sword Logic in his throne world to make himself resist powernull, but that would fall under his Law Manipulation.
Resistance to Light Manipulation: I'm assuming this refers to "The Light" in Destiny, in which case this is inaccurate, as the Light is what killed Oryx in his own realm.
Resistance to Void Manipulation: Also don't remember this, but I may be wrong.
Resistance to Absorption: Also don't remember this.
Resistance to Attack Reflection: I don't think this is a thing.
Resistance to Mind Manipulation: This is probably correct, but I'd need to be shown where.
Resistance to Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation: Pretty sure this is only demonstrated by his true self.
Resistance to Poison Manipulation: Again, listed twice.
Resistance to Nanotechnology: ...the hell?
Resistance to Matter Manipulation: Would need to see where this is demonstrated, as well. I'm pretty sure only his true self has it, and it would be "Immunity to Matter Manipulation", as he isn't made of matter.
Resistance to Vector Manipulation: Almost certain he never showed this.
Resistance to Probability Manipulation: Or this.
Now beyond powers, I'd also like to talk about his tier and speed.
Tier: His material form is mostly fine, but I'm pretty sure that without calcs, his "At least 5-B" should be "At least 5-C/Low 5-B". His true form is a bigger problem. He's listed as "At least Low 2-C" for creating his throne world, which has its own space-time and laws. The big issue here is that throne worlds are never shown to be universal in size. They're even referred to as "cyst universes", which likely described their relation in connection to the normal universe. For instance, this is Crota's throne world; a massive castle structure filled with mostly nothing beyond that, from what we can see. Oryx's throne world is merged with the Dreadnaught, which is his ship. I don't know what tier Oryx's true self should be, but Low 2-C is pushing it with the lack of evidence we have.
Speed: Material Oryx is listed as "Immeasurable" for being superior to the Vex, who move freely beyond linear time. Firstly, this is a part of the Vex's nature and does not apply to Oryx. Secondly, both Oryx and the Vex move at normal speeds when actually in the material universe, and can be fought and killed by beings moving at normal speeds. Nigh-Omnipresent is bunk for similar reasons. I don't think his true self is fully Omnipresent in his realm, either. Nigh-Omnipresent perhaps, but he did not show full Omnipresence when he was encountered there.
Like I said, some of these things I may simply not remember, but others are completely wrong and really have to go. Any help with this would be very much appreciated.
I have some major issues with Oryx's profile. A lot of it is lacking context or proper justification, which will be needed if a lot of stuff isn't to be changed or removed. I'll make a list telling if something is just straight up wrong or if it could be right but needs to be clarified.
Immortality: Type 2 is redundant, 7 and 8 aren't accurate, and 9 only applies to his material self. If his true self dies, that's it.
Regenerationn: Mid-Godly is completely false. Oryx's material form has Low-Godly based on his true essence existing in his Throne World, but it is not like he can come back immediately. His throne world self does not have Low-Godly regen (since said regen would be based on...himself), and if he dies there, he's gone. He only survives this by any means due to a fraction of his essence being connected to a weapon you can get.
Law Manipulation and Conceptual Manipulation: Only his true self has this in his throne world. His material self does not. It may also be more safe to just lump both under "Law Manipulation", which is more of what I remember him doing. Could be wrong on that last part, though.
Acausality: Again, pretty sure this only applies to his true self.
Death Manipulation: His death manipulation does not kill concepts or negate mid-godly. I have no idea where this is from.
Power Nullification: I don't remember his material self doing this, but I could be wrong. Help with this one would be appreciated.
Reactive Evolution and Reactive Power Level: Same as above. Don't remember this being showcased, but it could have been.
Nigh-Omnipresence: Never demonstrated, at all. He can be fought, dodged, and damaged normally. He's not some sort of nigh-omnipresent entity.
Abstract Existence: Only applies to his true self.
Summoning and Statistics Reduction: Accurate, but for some reason he has them listed twice.
Gravity Manipulation: Don't remember this, but could be wrong.
Pocket Reality Manipulation: Should apply only to his true self.
Non-Corporeal: Applies only to his true self. His material projection is...well, material.
Resistance Negation: I don't really know what this one is supposed to mean in context, as there's not really anything further than this.
Resistance to Reality Warping, Conceptual Manipulation, and Law Manipulation: One of the reasons given for these is that Oryx killed Akka. However, he did not resist anything, in this scenario. He killed Akka specifically because Sword Logic allowed him to do so, which is more an example of Oryx's own Law Manipulation. Oryx withstanding the power of his daughters is more an example of his Sword Logic > theirs, which would more likely just be resistance to Law Manipultion via countering it with his own.
Resistance to Existence Erasure: I don't recall him ever displaying this.
Resistance to Statistics Reduction: Or this.
Resistance to Power Nullification: Or this, either. On top of that, the reasons given are that he wasn't powernulled by the Guardians, who powernulled Atheon. I'm pretty sure that isn't remotely what happened, as Atheon was still perfectly capable of using its time powers during the battle. It seems that at best, one could argue that Oryx could use Sword Logic in his throne world to make himself resist powernull, but that would fall under his Law Manipulation.
Resistance to Light Manipulation: I'm assuming this refers to "The Light" in Destiny, in which case this is inaccurate, as the Light is what killed Oryx in his own realm.
Resistance to Void Manipulation: Also don't remember this, but I may be wrong.
Resistance to Absorption: Also don't remember this.
Resistance to Attack Reflection: I don't think this is a thing.
Resistance to Mind Manipulation: This is probably correct, but I'd need to be shown where.
Resistance to Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation: Pretty sure this is only demonstrated by his true self.
Resistance to Poison Manipulation: Again, listed twice.
Resistance to Nanotechnology: ...the hell?
Resistance to Matter Manipulation: Would need to see where this is demonstrated, as well. I'm pretty sure only his true self has it, and it would be "Immunity to Matter Manipulation", as he isn't made of matter.
Resistance to Vector Manipulation: Almost certain he never showed this.
Resistance to Probability Manipulation: Or this.
Now beyond powers, I'd also like to talk about his tier and speed.
Tier: His material form is mostly fine, but I'm pretty sure that without calcs, his "At least 5-B" should be "At least 5-C/Low 5-B". His true form is a bigger problem. He's listed as "At least Low 2-C" for creating his throne world, which has its own space-time and laws. The big issue here is that throne worlds are never shown to be universal in size. They're even referred to as "cyst universes", which likely described their relation in connection to the normal universe. For instance, this is Crota's throne world; a massive castle structure filled with mostly nothing beyond that, from what we can see. Oryx's throne world is merged with the Dreadnaught, which is his ship. I don't know what tier Oryx's true self should be, but Low 2-C is pushing it with the lack of evidence we have.
Speed: Material Oryx is listed as "Immeasurable" for being superior to the Vex, who move freely beyond linear time. Firstly, this is a part of the Vex's nature and does not apply to Oryx. Secondly, both Oryx and the Vex move at normal speeds when actually in the material universe, and can be fought and killed by beings moving at normal speeds. Nigh-Omnipresent is bunk for similar reasons. I don't think his true self is fully Omnipresent in his realm, either. Nigh-Omnipresent perhaps, but he did not show full Omnipresence when he was encountered there.
Like I said, some of these things I may simply not remember, but others are completely wrong and really have to go. Any help with this would be very much appreciated.