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One Piece Discussion Thread #3

D it all comes back to the D I feel joyboys theory on the Weaved fate may be the most likely in regaurds to the straw hat being the national treasure
 
@Oishi - it's been over 800 years since that hat was relevant, and there's no way someone would've picked up on it from a random pirate. But now Luffy is worth over a billion, and has a lot of attention, so now this mysterious figure is connecting the dots. The 2nd Wanted poster is most likely Gold Roger (due to him bearing the same hat at least in his early years as a pirate). If not, Law merely due to the Ope-Ope fruit and what Doflamingo said.

That hat is most likely a crown from before the Void Century. Joy Boy is the most likely person to have been the owner due to the context and foreshadowing. He made a promise with Poseidon including the Noah arc, but never could fulfill that promise due to unknown reasons and Neptune mentioning how the details never got passed down throughout the generations. This happened 800 years back.

The Void Century occurred during this time, and CP + Gorosei will kill anyone who has the potential to even learn about it, and the answers lie on the Poneglyph, hence why Robin is such a major threat to them.

I suspect that Mariejois was originally ruled over by Joy Boy and his other 6 compatriots (6 other sections in that frozen room), and that room serves as their tomb. They were most likely overthrown by the Celestial Dragons, who usurped their power and took control over the entire world via the World Government being developed over the past 700+ years. They want to keep this secret as they do not want to be known as tyrants, nor do they want secrets that the poneglyph holds (such as the ancient weapons, potential One Piece, etc) being discovered. There's obviously more that has not been revealed.

Those who bear the name "D" are potentially descendants of the original rulers of the ancient Mariejois. They are considered "the enemy of God" because they have the power in their blood to take down the tyrants known as the Celestial Dragons, and put an end to their reign.
 
interesting I never considered that Mariejois could have been the ancient kingdom I wont rule it out but due to how the WG operates I would assume whatever it was had been completely destroyed or is a location they were unable to erase completely like raftel or elbaph
 
doffy is more relevant than katakuri even up to this day as he continually feeds us the goodness about yokos, admirals, one piece, void century, will of D and the treasure etc. but katakuri is surly an outstanding character as he has the best characterisation out of the antagonists in the story.
 
Dressrosa was a better arc, but Whole-Cake had a better climactic fight (sadly... Doflamingo got nerfed hard).

Dressrosa had a larger impact on the world, as the capture of Caesar put Big Mom into action in order to secure him, and the halt of Smile production put Kaido into action. Doflamingo revealed a lot of important plot points that are currently affecting the plot as we speak (906). We've been introduced to a new Admiral, and have another one mentioned. The Shichibukai system is put under question, alluding to a new system being implemented in order to replace them (later confirmed to involve Vegapunk developing something "incredible"). Imagine the affect this would have on Boa Hancock, Mihawk, and Buggy. The flare-flare fruit resurfaces, and Sabo returns to the plot. There's more development on the Blackbeard pirates. The Strawhats acquire a Grand Fleet consisting of 5000 members, considerably increasing their relevance and threat-level to the World Government (which takes place AFTER Whole-Cake). And there's a lot more.

What has Whole-Cake done? Give Nami and Sanji potential upgrades to their abilities? I mean, yes... the 3 Poneglyphs are going to important for developing on Luffy's goal, but what outside of this and him becoming a "5th Emperor" (lul) has affected the plot in a drastic way? Luffy's 1,500,000,000 bounty was not a result from merely defeating Katakuri and escaping from Big Mom's grasp, but from events taking place during DRESSROSA and before (Sabo connections, Defeating Doflamingo, Evading an Admiral, Grand Fleet, and previous achievements that the World Gov have been keeping secret, but are now slamming onto his threat-level)

I can guarantee you that Reverie Arc is going to be affected 100% by arcs taking place during and BEFORE Dressrosa. Whole-Cake itself has almost nothing to do with the plot as a whole outside of "Lel, Big Mom is ****** pissed". Except, she was already angered after Fish-Man Island.

Dressrosa Arc > Whole-Cake Arc
 
@Oishi - That's information we received from Zou and Marineford. Whole-Cake did nothing new with that outside of having two commanders lose to Luffy.

Both commanders were underwhelming and... whelming respectively. Cracker was a joke. Katakuri brought nothing that Doflamingo didn't outside of consistent future-sight. Even Doflamingo's Awakening has better feats.
 
Also, no one can convince me that Katakuri is a better villain than Doflamingo. Someone even tried to tell me Katakuri's backstory was more tragic and impactful. Is that a joke?

"I decided to become an edge-lord and hide my face because my sister was assaulted and scarred because of it"

>

"I was raised in heaven, but my father decided to take our family and live like normal people, resulting in a horrible child-hood, the death of my mother, and torture at the hands of citizens who hate the Celestial Dragons, leading me to kill my father and to return to my rightful place as a descendant of God only to be rejected and forced into piracy. I then took measures in order to have the World Government under my thumb and abused their power, keeping them in check while aiming to bring down the bastards that cast me out."

Naw, totally, Katakuri's backstory OP.

(Cough, Doffy>Katakuri)
 
I think it has more to do with Katakuri being more of a fair player than Doffy (like impaling himself to get comparable injuries to Luffy's caused by that bratty sister/ not accepting any injuries dealt on Luffy by those other than himself). Or at least that's what I got out of OP fans I know

I agree Katakuri's backstory is cliched AF. Only reason he got a good reputation is because the other Charlottes were useless the entire Arc (looking at you, Smoothie)
 
charlotte cracker wasn't underwhelming or a joke. he outlasted g4 without getting hit for 11hrs. that's more impressive than doffy and dolflamingo combined. I would even put him above doffy due to the fact he easily overpowered g2 and g3 with a single biscuit soldier. it was due to him being too impatient and annoyed at the fact luffy just kept eating his biscuits, run away & cracker had to chase him around the forest. doffy never got hit as hard as cracker considering he got sent flying through his own biscuit soldiers, mountains, several dozens of trees & building. he was one shotted but at least that one shot didn't make him look bad.


whole cake also gave us info about roger obtaining the one piece from bigmom. wholecake had a different turn of event where kakakuri being the main antagonist let luffy win and those who allied with luffy gave up there own lives to help him escape. germa, fishmen, pedro & pound. not confirmed dead but it pretty much looks like it or else it'll be bullshit. wholecake gave us many different turn of events and something oda always wanted to do.(ship battles) it was executed okay. he also granted us the best fight within the series.


although dressrosa affected the story due to doffy knowing a lot and we got introduced to a lot of major characters who will play huge rolls in the near future. (not saying big mom pirates won't show up again.) while dressrosa was more interesting, wholecake was better executed.
 
My bone to pick with both Dressrosa and Whole Cake is the fact they introduce way too many characters compared to previous sagas, not counting the Whitebeard saga of course. Dressrosa dedicated too much time on newly introduced characters, some of them not even significant (Senior Pink). Whole Cake on the other hand hyped up too much on the children of Big Mom and we see what happened to most of them. Like besides the 3 Sweet Commanders and Perosperos, we barely know the rest of the children (Daifuku, Oven, etc.). Germa inclusion was pretty meh as well
 
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