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Akame ga Kill God-Tiers tier adjustment,+ Esdeath revision (Read OP)

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I'll make this simple. Considering how small of a tier High 7-A is, these need to be adjusted.

Shikoutazer's High 7-A feat, was a somewhat casual 2.955 gigatons. That is already a mere 45% below baseline 6-C, Then Tatsumi one shots him imediately after evolving for the fourth time. Even at the very maximum of lowballing for a one-shot 1.5x, gets him to 4.43 gigatons. A hair into baseline 6-C Then his next form, Tyrant is stronger than before. Following up with Esdeath rather casually one-shoting Tyrant. And Ennoodzuno Akame is nearly comparable to a serious Esdeath in power.

My proposal.

At least High 7-A for Fouth Form Tatsumi. 6-C for Tyrant. And at least 6-C for Esdeath and Ennodzuno Akame.

Thoughts? This is literally a no-brainer

Edit: Another proposal There's been something that has been nagging me about Esdeath's ratings and the context behind them. These could very well be wrong, but I feel it's important to bring them up.

Is it any coincidence that Esdeath's best AP feat (One-Shotting Tyrant) was while under the effects of ISCIC?

While earlier in the story, Esdeath while not using any amps, has two incidents that challenge the current ratings.

http://*********.com/Manga/Akame-ga-Kill/Akame-ga-Kiru--053----Kill-the-Adversity?id=210800#34

Esdeath should have Danamaku btw

http://*********.com/Manga/Akame-ga-Kill/56-Kill-the-Great-General?id=219727#11

Tatsumi successfully lands a strike on Esdeath,

http://*********.com/Manga/Akame-ga-Kill/56-Kill-the-Great-General?id=219727#12

In the very next pannel she lets out a slight grunt of pain, and visibly winces.

http://*********.com/Manga/Akame-ga...---Kill-the-Adversity--Part-002-?id=214498#30

Esdeath was threataned enough by a blast from Mine that she decided to use Mahapdama.

http://*********.com/Manga/Akame-ga-Kill/56-Kill-the-Great-General?id=219727#46

Esdeath states she can still feel the impact, and is impressed with Tatsumi's power.

I am aware that Esdeath let her emotions get the better of her, and allowed the blow to land. But she still took slight damage from it regardless.

So what am I suggesting? That Esdeath is only scales above Shikoutazer with ISCIC. With all this in mind, it's not a stretch to imagine that the Ice Storm boosts her physical power as well. Speaking of witch, Newton's Third Law would dictate that she withstood the energy of the Ice Storm releasing from her body, witch has already been calced at 6-B.

If this makes sense to everyone, I would propose At least 7-B, likely higher for Esdeath in base. 6-C with ISCIC active
 
I don't think we have a value for one shotting, if I remember correctly it was 5x but it should be looked at case by case. However it doesn't really matter much here anyway.


These characters are wayy up there on the High 7-A chain and one shot other High 7-A+ characters with ease. Therefore I don't see anything wrong with them getting bumped up a tier.
 
5x is the maximum highball. 1.5x is the maximum lowball if you ask me. It makes the most sense.
 
Tatsumi one shotted Shikoutaser by striking at its weak point which he managed to open a hole in with the help of Wave, and it wasn't casual considering he was screaming and straining himself to do damage.

For me personally, I think his fourth form should be at Least High 7A, Possibly 6C, and I'm honestly not sure on if Tyrantsumi should be the same or a solid 6C considering it has no feats of getting that much stronger.

Esdeath and Akame are without a doubt 6C tho, especially when Esdeath one shotted Tatsumi after cutting off her own arm and using her time Stop, which is stated to drain her fairly extensively.
 
It wasn't casual, but still a one-shot regardless. That weak spot doesn't really matter, especially when Shikoutzer's chest was completely destroyed.

There's no reason to think Tyrant would not be stronger.

They should still be at least 6-C imo
 
I wouldn't necessarily say the weak spot doesn't matter, I mean it's the reason why Tats was even able to one shot it. With that being said i don't think the Tatsumi who one shot Shikoutzer should be 6-C but at High 7-A+, likely higher.


However Tatsumi in his next forum should be baseline 6-C and Esdeath would scale above that.
 
<Especially when Shikoutzer's chest was completely destroyed

See that's my thing right there. It's chest was completely destroyed and that was its weak spot, and even then Tatsumi absolutely strained himself to do enough damage to destroy.

Tatsumi himself giving it his all barely managed to one shot it when its weak spot was almost entirely destroyed, I myself think this constitutes an at Least High 7A possibly 6C just to be 100% safe.

Everything else I agree on.
 
Knight seems to think a solid High 7A for Tatsumi in 4th form, so Ill see what he has to say.

I agree on Tyrant and everyone being 6C
 
Okay, this is pretty settled. Just gotta wait for more imput

Next up, BoS Low 7-C's may need to be downgraded.....
 
This thread made me think.

What exactly is the point of such a small tier like High 7-A anyways? If you ask me, it should either be removed or go up to 10 Gigatons
 
IDK, but changing a small tier like that takes too much effort then I care form.
 
If he needed to hit a weak spot no "At least" for fourth form Tats.

"At least High 7-A" for Tyrant.

6-C for Esdeath and Akame
 
The weak spot was minimum, and Tatsumi striked it only to make things easier. Also, that weak spot was created by a previous form of Tats.

For now, I propose:

"At least High 7-A" for fourth form

"At least High 7-A, possibly 6-C" for Tyrant

"At least High 7-A, Likely 6-C" for Esdeath and Akame. I still don't want to give a full jump tier, despite them being so close to it.
 
Esdeath one shotted Tyrabtsumi with zero issue, if Tatsumi is getting a possibly 6C why is Esdeath not getting a solid 6C?
 
Because I want to keep Akame at High 7-A for a match I plan to do.

Nah, it's because Tyrant could still be High 7-A, and Esdeath could have one-shotted him via a relatively small AP advantage (also, Tats survives the hit).
 
If Tatsumi is going to be possibly 6C ba based on being stronger you need to accept 6C for Esdeath, you can't have both
 
TriforcePower1 said:
Because I want to keep Akame at High 7-A for a match I plan to do.

Nah, it's because Tyrant could still be High 7-A, and Esdeath could have one-shotted him via a relatively small AP advantage (also, Tats survives the hit).
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Wasn't Esdeath weakened?
 
She was.

Not only did she cut off her own arm but she used a time stop to do so which drained her.

I'm not sure if Akame should be 6C or possibly 6C as she only fought on par with a weakened Esdeath.
 
If weakened Esdeath is the one who one shot Tatsumi make her solid 6-C and Akame "Likely 6-C" i'd say
 
I think Kal's proposa makes sense. Here's my slightly refined proposal.

At least High 7-A for Fourth form Tats, At least High 7-A, possibly 6-C for Tyrant. 6-C for Akame for being comparable to weakened Esdeath who one-shotted him. And 6-C, for Esdeath going by the fact that she was weakened at this time, and should be noted to be more powerful than Akame were she at full strength.
 
No to at least 6-C and definitely no to likely higher.

They could be over a dozen of time stronger and they would still be 6-C, and not even in the upper half
 
Kaltias said:
No to at least 6-C and definitely no to likely higher.
They could be over a dozen of time stronger and they would still be 6-C, and not even in the upper half
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Ah, alright. So are we done here?

Anyways, what is the point of such a tiny tier like High 7-A to begin with? A "Large Mountain" and an "Island" are kinda interchangeable if you ask me. I'm probably gonna make a CRT on this tbh.
 
TriforcePower1 said:
The weak spot was minimum, and Tatsumi striked it only to make things easier. Also, that weak spot was created by a previous form of Tats.

For now, I propose:

"At least High 7-A" for fourth form

"At least High 7-A, possibly 6-C" for Tyrant

"At least High 7-A, Likely 6-C" for Esdeath and Akame. I still don't want to give a full jump tier, despite them being so close to it.
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I think this is good ONLY just to be safe
 
The High 7-A lowball for Esdeath and Akame is not needed, and frankyl redundtant. It would be like saying Ryuko Matoi is at least 7-A, likely High 7-A even though she's already borderline High 7-A anyways. A useless lowball.
 
Well when I looked at the top I thought u were right UNTIL I saw the "1.5x puts him at 4.43 gigatons" and that means u used multipliers right there. I'm 100% sure this has something to do w/ the one shot thread but ALOT of people have disagreed on it but it's still being talked about so I suggest that we hold off until we reach an agreement w/ what everyone says hence why I said about them "At Least High 7-A, Likely 6-C for Esdeath & Akame"

Again this is just to be safe FOR THE TIME BEING
 
As I and Gar said, it is a pointless lowball for Esdeath and Akame.

Their argument against my poposal consisted of using Dragon Ball power levels to try and justify a nonsensical 10% scaling rating. Essentially, trying to use DB as a standard for the rest of fiction. If they provided some more compelling examples, I'd consider a lower rating for this. But for now, I strongly assert my proposed rating is both more sensible, and reasonable.
 
Where does that in any way shape or form entrail multipliers?

Like...At all?
 
Like I said....they r still talking about it and I'm sure if this was to go through then someone would make a CRT then talk about it then that would go right back to the one shot thread that hasn't been dealt yet. I understand that u want this to go through but yur gonna have to be patient cause as of right now (and looking at the comments) ALOT of people disagree hence again why I said ON THE SAFE SIDE to just wait for the moment until they finish

@Gargoyle

Versus used one shot (still being talked about) 1.5x multiplier to get a higher AP which is not allowed
 
Unless you are highly skilled with stuff like pressure points, you're not one-shotting someone with comparable or equal Dura.

If you are 1.5 to 2x stronger than someone, you can probably one-shot them with a strike to the head or other vunereble areas. Idk about places like the chest, so it serves as a reasonable lowball for scaling someone who stomps another character.
 
Gargoyle One said:
It Is allowed
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Tbh the calc for the COVERS was b/c on Ryuko's mega decapitazion scissor and I honestly don't know why they used that and as for Ragyō being At Least High 7-A is only cause she was very casual going against two 7-A's. Reason I said for the multiplier is only cause I used it one time and I was told I wasn't allowed to do that
 
@Versus

Dude I'm just trying to make sure that no major argument will happened and not only that but yur just rushing in w/out waiting yet. Even if they do agree on not using the one shot idea I'm pretty sure that u have other evidence that would put them at 6-C 😊
 
BlackeJan said:
Gargoyle One said:
It Is allowed
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Tbh the calc for the COVERS was b/c on Ryuko's mega decapitazion scissor and I honestly don't know why they used that and as for Ragyō being At Least High 7-A is only cause she was very casual going against two 7-A's. Reason I said for the multiplier is only cause I used it one time and I was told I wasn't allowed to do that
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Bruh what
 
BlackeJan said:
@Versus
Dude I'm just trying to make sure that no major argument will happened and not only that but yur just rushing in w/out waiting yet. Even if they do agree on not using the one shot idea I'm pretty sure that u have other evidence that would put them at 6-C 😊
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People disagreed mostly because they seemed to be mindlessly agreeing with Kep's Dragon Ball example, witch I already went over multiple times was an incredibly weak argument/example.
 
TriforcePower1 said:
But I wanted to do Link (BOTW, pre-calamity) vs Akame...
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And I want to do Didact vs Esdeath. Sadly we cannot adjust tiers to matches that we'd like to do.
 
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