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9-B Brackets: Round 5

Hrmmm.

Sanguine in combat tends to make very liberal use of his tunneling ability, dropping underground or into walls, then jumping out behind his opponents or beneath them.

His regen negation is shit and doesn't even matter.

But he's probably going to have a bit of a hard time hitting somethng the size of an insect.

His best bet is probably tunelling through Ant Man (dunno how that would work when Ant Man is smaller than him, maybe Antman would just flow around him), but I don't know.
 
I suppose it depends how the tunneling works, if it splits apart exerting in front of it regardless of size it would get Ant Man.

That put, I'd be iffy on a result as well, if Billy opts to start tunneling underground he can openly maneuver around Lang until he goes out of Small Size, which he tends to eventually do in combat.

Scott - 1 (Chartate)

Billy - 0
 
Also, how good a fighter is Scott?

Because Sanguine was able to match the Black Cleaver in a fight, and the Black Cleaver lolstomps other cleavers through sheer skill, and cleavers are trained almost from birth to become the perfect soldiers.
 
The scythe swung for Sanguine's neck, but he was already turning, launching himself into a dive. Tanith had seen walls and floors crack before him, but never had she seen clothes and flesh. This was the moment where that changed. The Black Cleaver's armoured coat frayed and the pale skin beneath split, almost too fast for it to register, and Sanguine dived through the Cleaver. He hit the ground behind and rolled to his feet, dripping with black blood. The Cleaver looked down at his ruined torso.
 
I'm going to refrain from counting votes for now, and disregard my first vote count. I don't think much thought was put behind any of the current votes.
 
@Monarch Laciel Not a very good fighter. He is a thief and prefers "not to fight". Though Janet de Vyne did train him to fight, but he's nowhere near "skilled".
 
So I'm thinking the fight will start with Scott going small, possibly getting a few hits in, before Billy decides to tunnel around the environment, likely until he can catch Ant-Man and drag him into the ground. This will likely continue until Scott goes full size, which he's likely to do in-character at some point, to which Sanguine will tunnel through him or just dominate him in hand to hand.
 
I'm more concerned about if Ant Man shrinks and goes inside his head then expands or something, but I don't think that is in character for him
 
Monarch Laciel said:
I'm more concerned about if Ant Man shrinks and goes inside his head then expands or something, but I don't think that is in character for him
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That's a joke shared by MCU fans, but Ant-Man doesn't do that.
 
That's true. What worries me more is Scott's shrinking grenades, tbh.
 
Chartate101 said:
Scott via Size Manip. He goes small, so Billy can't see him, and shrinks him
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Bill can't see him anyway lol. Billy's eyes are gouged out. He doesn't need eyes to see, and he'd be able to tell where ant man is just fine.

Also, antman didn't use shrinking grenades in the fight that was linked. He just used physical attacks while shrinking and growing.

Saguine tunnels, waits for him to grow back, then kills him with a surprise attack. Or several smaller suprise attacks using his razor to whittle Ant Man down through repeated bloodlettings.
 
Are we assuming Antman doesn't figure out the fact that he could come in from underground? Actually what purpose would he have to even shift back to normal? Unless he prepared a trap of some sort and shrinks his enemy. Scott can take to the sky with his flies too and watch out for underground.

By the way when, there's still the assistance of the ants Scott has. Which he's more than willing to use. Of course it's not as if he's telepathic and can tell what they're thinking but the moment he realizes some of them are dying, well, there goes your stealth advantage.

Scott for this reasons here
 
Turning back to normal size is just something Scott normally does in his fights, see his fight with Falcon.

There's also the issue of Billy just causing Scott to phase into the ground beneath him.

Scott - 2 (Chartate, Core)

Billy - 2 (Monarch, Mand)
 
True. Except why would he do that when the enemy isn't around him?

Prolly countered by a quick shift back into normal, which would be bad, but once he realizes it's a bad idea to do that, he'll go back to completely going small. Also that's with the idea that Billy catches Scott from the air in the first place.
 
I'd like to point out, the third chunk of Monarch's reasons has been kinda countered by my point and the second point is countered by the fact that Scott didn't have shirnking tech back then so uh.... yeah. Not sure if you can count that.
 
I'd wait for Monarch to respond before assuming his arguments are null.
 
I have read your counter argument but as Monarchs argument hasnt been completely countered i still feel as if Billy has higher chances of taking the win.
 
Scott - 4 (Chartate, Core, Mand, Jiangshi)

Billy - 2 (Monarch Shrek)
 
Scott - 5 (Chartate, Core, Mand, Jiangshi, Apies)

Billy - 2 (Monarch, Shrek)
 
There's nothing in those votes I can disprove.

It's just a matter of opinion. I think that considering their typical fighting styles and skill, and how they make use of their powers, Billy Ray is likely to get the upper hand on him.
 
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