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Castlevania Questions

RapidMotorcycle19

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I looked around the pages, andd the 2-C tier always seemedd a bit out there for regular men who usedd medieval weaponry.


Aparently, most scale to Castlevania Judgement, which is a fighting game for the Wii where a villian merged timelines.

Now, should it really scale to judgement? I mean, this case seems awfully familiar to Jojo Bizzare Adventure Eyes of Heaven, where they would be 2-B via feats shown there.


Maybe a separation between the canon games and Juddgement would be needed?

I would really want to make Jojo vs Castlevania fights.

That kid from Aria of Sorrow would probably still be tier 2 or something for facing Chaos, tho.

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And, in another note, some profiles have fanart as their pics (Like Trevor´s and Sypha´s), which isnt really apropiate.

I could indeed look for canonical pictures and replace the fanart, but all castlevania pages are looked.
 
<Regular Men who used Medevil Weaponry

I almost stopped reading from that alone but to answer you.

Judgement is one supporting feat which is Low 2C and 2C, but the main feat is Dracula having multiple universe sized dimensions within his home.

Read his respect blog.

Judgement is also canon.
 
the story is not the main focus for Judgment. The main focus of this game is a celebration of the franchise's 22-year history, so I wanted to bring these characters together like a festival.


I mean, this does kinda sound like what you say about "all star" fighters.

It ddoesnt say its canon, it says it is just a story made to make everyone be able to fight each other. Again, like Eyes of Heaven, and it is considered a separate story, and we have special pages for Eyes of Heaven exclusive characters.


I mean, if Judgement was referenced in the games the characters came from, i would accept this fact no problem. Im no castlevania expert, but i am not really convinced with the reasons stated for Judgement´s canonicity.
 
Noooope. Judgement is canon, stated as such by IGA himself. He even went as far as to link Aeon from Judgment and St. Germain from Curse of Darkness, stating that they are both from the same race / organization.

You legit wouldn't know Sypha's backstory without Judgement, and the game outright explains why she was pretending to be a man in the events of Castlevania 3, saying that it was because Lisa was burned on the stake.
 
Ive read that part of your blog.

I just didnt really find it that convincing, as he never said it was canon, but to be an story that allowed averyone to fight each other.


And, i dont really think adding aditional backstory to a character is a reason for it to be canon, just additional information added in a newer game.


And the profiles have fanart in them, whats up with that?
 
He legit says that it is part of the Castlevania timeline, and the events of the game help expand and link the games.

Because some characters have no good canon art, so fanart is acceptable.
 
"So as many of you know, the Castlevania timeline goes over 1000 years. And there is a character trying to destroy that timeline. Simply, we wanted to get all the characters from past Castlevania titles into one game."

"The concept of this game is to bring a variety of characters from different periods of the Castlevania timeline together for the first time."


Like i said, i am not the biggest Castlevania expert at all, but these quotes seem to indicate the intention of creating a new story where the old characters could face the newer ones.


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During a Konami E3 Presentation, Koji Igarashi commented that Judgement is part of the timeline.

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2008/07/12/pre-e3-2008-interview-with-iga


Ive searched thru the article, and there is no statement of Koji saying it was either part of the canon nor the timeline, the only mention of the word timeline was

"The concept of this game is to bring a variety of characters from different periods of the Castlevania timeline together for the first time."

And "Concept of the game" does imply it is a separate story focused on this "all stars" aspect.
 
It legit isn't. The game is part of the timeline. Concepts from this game expand on the universe and backstory of characters and help tie events together, and some ideas of it were applied to later games or even earlier ones retroactively.


A fan asked IGA about the game's canonicity on Facebook, and his response was:

Fan: You mentioned Legend of Cornell was an alternate continuity. However, Cornell appears in Castlevania Judgement, which I believe is not an alternate continuity. How does that work? is he from a different universe than the other characters? It is not really explained in the game itself so I was hoping you could give some clarification on the issue.

IGA: Judgment is a work that surpasses space and time and brings them together.

Without thinking about it too deeply, he has simply been chosen because he's a character that pervades the series. I don't know if that's the kind of answer you were looking for, but that's about the size of it.

Fan: I get it. So, is the explanation I suggested in the previous reply possibly correct?

IGA: I don't think it's exactly correct. Judgement is a work born of thinking it would be fun to remove all the hedges and bring characters that appeared throughout the series together. I think that you need to view it as an event from another world which does not consider things like timelines or parallel dimensions at all.

Here, Igarashi explains it clearly. Castlevania: Judgement is beyond the limitations of the main Castlevania Timeline, and brings both the main canon and parallel canon together into one story outside space and time.

The idea of trying to separate canon and non-canon with Judgement goes against the very purpose of the game.

You legit just seem to be arguing of disbelief for the power of the characters.
 
Also, "Regular men with medieval weapons" is just wrong. Seriously. The characters are explictely and demonstably superhuman, even the bat enemies you fight have a 9-A feat, and their weapons are magic / alchemy / demonic in nature.
 
It legit isn't. The game is part of the timeline. Concepts from this game expand on the universe and backstory of characters and help tie events together, and some ideas of it were applied to later games or even earlier ones retroactively.

I mean, like i said, this is just additional information added on a fighting game.

i think it is vague at best if it is part of the timeline, the Time Reaper is in a very, very similar situation than DIO gone to heaven, having appeared in just that one game and dying in the ending of the same game.

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Hell, i think this statement says it best.

Judgment is a work that surpasses space and time and brings them together.

If it surpasses the regular timeline, it doesnt mean it is "inside" of it.

There are no mention of any of the events of Judgement in any future games (Sadly.)


The idea of trying to separate canon and non-canon with Judgement goes against the very purpose of the game.

Why would judgement be a special case? or deserve special threatment?

If Judgement broke the previous games story and stablishedd itself as the new canon, then the old games would be non-canon or part of an alternate continuity.

I think it is far more reasonable to have a form for the original games and a form for Judgement, even if they are the same tier because of Chaos and all.
 
It didn't do any of this.

Judgement expands on the original game's stories, gives further context, helps bridge things out, is stated by IGA to be a part of the Castlevania timeline, and to exist beyond space-time. The presence of various characters is explained through the timeline being merged, which returns to normal at the end. It doesn't cause canon conflicts.

The villain of one game being only in one game isn't proof of it being non-canon. Also the Time Reaper is Galamoth's minion, who is a recurring character.

Finally, Aeon's race / organization, the Time Guardians, was retroactively stated to be what St. Germain is, later. Twice:

http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Aeon#Aeon_.3D_St._Germain.3F

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/37s0ev/i_am_former_castlevania_producer_koji_igarashi/

"What is up with St. Germain? Aeon? This whole time traveling group, we never got any real information about them... Can you tell us anything? Are they related at all with the stop watch subweapon?"
"OK... that was a long explanation that will be hard to type out but the bottom line is he liked the idea of St. Germain time traveling and then needed a reason behind it. So there were time-traveling "time watchers"... Sounds like he was looking for a balance but liked the concept of time-travel."
 
Judgement expands on the original game's stories, gives further context, helps bridge things out, is stated by IGA to be a part of the Castlevania timeline, and to exist beyond space-time. The presence of various characters is explained through the timeline being merged, which returns to normal at the end. It doesn't cause canon conflicts.


I mean, yeah, it does by adding addditional info.

But it does so in a way that it holds no consequence to the timeline itself, i mean, the ending text is for the player, no one got their future spoiled nor had further references in new games.

And, existing beyond space-time doesnt mean it belongs in a story that was already stablished.


Jojo examples:

Its like assuming the Joseph joestar from Jojolion is the same Joseph from the original timeline.

Or if Josuke from Part 8 mentioned his experiences in Eyes of Heaven, that WOULD make the crossover game 100% canon, but extra basckstory isnt enough in my eyes.

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The villain of one game being only in one game isn't proof of it being non-canon. Also the Time Reaper is Galamoth's minion, who is a recurring character.

It does imply the events of the game are inconsequential, and thus, impossible to determine its canonicity by looking at future content.

If the Mobile Castlevania game that is going to be released said something like the Time Reaper once joined every hero to fight them, then it would be canon.


And, is there evidence the Time Reaper from the OG timeline is the same Time Reaper from Judgement?

I mean, its like scaling Gone to heaven DIO with Part 3 DIO or DIO from Jorge Joestar.


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Finally, Aeon's race / organization, the Time Guardians, was retroactively stated to be what St. Germain is, later. Twice:

Now this i didnt know about at all.

But, again, we do not know for sure if Aeon is part of this version of the group, or if this version of the group ever had anything to do with the events of Judgement.
 
I mean, it is not my intention to downgrade the verse at all, i just found the fighting game scaling quite odd.

Id like to continue this discussion later, if you dont really mind.
 
I don't see what's odd about it.

It's literally just two supporting feats to multiple other supporting feats by Dracula and Chaos
 
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