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Greetings, and welcome to yet another Castlevania CRT, this time, for the games
My proposal here is about two profiles from Harmony of Dissonance, a new profile from someone of that game, a new profile for the overall series and then it's all about Magic and the current inteligence section for the characters, as I believe it's currently lacking a few standards to better separate users of magic and experts of magic
We'll start with Juste Belmont and Maxim
>Harmony of Dissonance additions
Juste is currently scaled above Death by, well, defeating him and the Wraith of Dracula, but going through the japanese raws from his game's guide, I found this statement:
ジュスト･ベルモンド
今作の主人公
最油のヴァンパイアハンターといわれるベルモンド
ヴェルナンデス家の血を色く受け継いでいるため､
を持つ。
の間でも才と呼ばれるほどの才礎で、
若干16歳で先祖伝来の職ヴァンパイアキラーを受け継ぐ。
Which translates to:
"Juste Belmondo
The main character of this work
Belmondo is said to be the best vampire hunter because he inherited the blood of the Vernandez -Belnades- family. He is so talented that he is called talented even among the people, and he inherited his ancestral job of Vampire Killer at the age of 16"
Notice how the statement is directly tied to Juste because he is indeed the Belmont who has the biggest connection to the Belnades and the most skilled in magic. Therefore, he, even at 18, is stronger than Simon Belmont, and this is the actual most important scaling for him, as Simon is vastly above Death and Dracula Wraith
Thus, I believe Juste's Attack Potency section should be:
>Attack Potency: Low Multiverse level (Considered to be the strongest vampire hunter up until his time, which makes him stronger than Simon Belmont. Defeated Dracula Wraith who's above Death, who's capable of destroying the Time Reaper, who threatened to erase all the Castlevania timelines)
Next character is Maxim. Currently Maxim is listed as 2-C for keeping up with Juste, which is fair, but represents only the possessed version of Maxim, not Human, Base Maxim. So this is actually an argument for a new key for him, leaving his Evil Persona with a different scaling. Human Maxim is stated to be Juste's rival, however, that's for their younger years, Harmony's Plot is all about Maxim feeling inferior to Juste after he got his Belmont shenanigans going on (Beats me on how Maxim ever hoped to be equal to him but whatever). I'll use Castlevania's Wiki Dialogue Page to quote them:
Maxim: The day you inherited the title of Vampire Hunter... I felt as if a wall had been erected between us... and for that reason I set out on my expedition. I wanted to be better than you and relieve you of your fate.
Juste: ...
Maxim: Long ago, you told me of Dracula's remains. Do you remember that?
Juste: Yes, I remember. The story of how my grandfather, Simon, gathered Dracula's remains and destroyed them to undo his curse.
Maxim: I thought my wishes would be granted if I too could gather and destroy them.
Juste: What?! You found them?
Maxim: According to legend, it's still too early for Dracula's resurrection. It is not like anyone is cursed right now either. At first, I was doubtful that I could find all his remains... But I uncovered six parts, as if guided by a higher being...
Juste: That's impossible...
Maxim: I have little memory of what occurred after that, but the remains have vanished. I do remember clearly though that Lydie was kidnapped....
Juste: If true, Dracula's bodily remains may be giving rise to this castle...
Maxim: Forgive me. This is all my fault...
Juste: I'm not the one you should be seeking forgiveness from...
Maxim: ?!
Juste: You ought to apologize to Lydie first. We must hurry and find her.
Maxim: Yes. Yes, you're right. OK, I'll be off then.
Juste: Maxim... I believe in you.
Maxim: Thanks, Juste...
(Maxim leaves)
This shows how Human Base Maxim isn't really at Juste's level and his inferior power is what made the game possible, so I won't scale him to 2-C. Still, Maxim's problems start when he develops a 2nd personality, a spirit that appeared after he started to gather Dracula's Relics, that generated two "Castlevanias" that represented Maxim's broken persona:
First Encounter with Death
???: Halt! The color of your soul... You must be a Belmont...
Juste: That is correct. This... overwhelming power... Death...?
Death: Indeed.
Juste: Which means this is, in fact, Dracula's castle...
Death: That might be true... though the power that is here is not my lord's.
Juste: What do you mean?!
Death: I must go now. We shall meet again, son of Belmont...
(Death vanishes away with evil laughter)
Juste: Aaargh... He... got away...
(Juste shakes his fist)
Here Death directly says the Castle wasn't created by Dracula's power yet, only Maxim's
Death Battle
(Juste shakes his fist to Death with anger)
Juste: So this is where you were! Return Lydie to me!
Death: Fear not. That maiden is now with Maxim.
Juste: But why!? Leave Lydie out of this!
Death: That maiden will play an essential role in the completion of this castle.
Juste: What do you mean by that!?
Death: This castle is in a transient state and is preparing for my lord's resurrection. However, the castle is not complete until these two castles have merged. In short, we must rid of your dear friend's spirit.
Juste: Maxim is a man of great strength! It won't be so easy to do as you plan!!
Death: He was born of my lord, so of course he knows ways to reinforce his power. When something is dear to you, its effect on you becomes immeasurable.
Juste: ?! No, surely not... not Lydie's blood... Stay away from her!
Death: Do not interfere. Now, I will extinguish the candle of your soul!
(The battle begins)
This is a important quote: "the castle is not complete until these two castles have merged. In short, we must rid of your dear friend's spirit" because it shows we can't scale Maxim to the full extent of Castlevania's power.
Second Encounter with Death
(Juste arrives at the portal and encounters with Death again)
Juste: Aaargh! Death has returned!
Death: Mortal... you know of a man by the name of 'Maxim,' do you not?
Juste: Yes, I do! What about him?!
Death: I believe that man has discovered objects that hold my lord's powers.
Juste: ?! You mean Dracula's remains...
Death: My lord's fragmented remains?! Now it makes perfect sense...
Juste: What on earth are you talking about?!
Death: You have provided me with an answer. So I shall reward you with an explanation. It's simple. This castle is a creation of Maxim's will.
Juste: What?! But he's not capable of such a feat!
Death: True of the original Maxim, but possession of my lord's remains changes everything. The castles' two spirits now embody my lord's powers.
Juste: The castles' 'two' spirits?!
Death: Two spirits exist now within his body. His original spirit and a wicked spirit born from my lord's remains.
Juste: What a ridiculous notion...
Death: And so, two castles were born to embody the two spirits. Of the two spirits, the wicked one wanted the castles most.
Juste: Wait a minute! What do you mean by 'two castles'?!
Death: Ignorant mortal... Don't you realize that this castle has two "layers"? I don't want to have anything more to do with you. Farewell!
(Death enters the portal with evil laughter)
Juste: W-wait! Are you running away from me?
Death: This castle, as it is now, is a transient one. I must go and aid its completion...
(Death leaves)
Keep in mind Juste believes in Human Maxim to the very end, and his quote of him not being able to to do such a feat is more likely about his morals instead of power, it would also be contradictory with all the information we have to Maxim simply not be able to give half the power for a Castlevania where that's literally what happened. So basically, Human Maxim and Evil Maxim made two "half" Castlevanias, and once both are merged, it would result in the full extent of said being. This leaves me in doubt because I have no idea what "half Low 2-C" is, could be 3-A or could be just a weaker Low 2-C, I'll leave that to a debate in the comments. Evil Maxim would be eventually capable of fighting Juste and be portrayed as being stronger than Death by the end of the game, so I'd rather show both of these levels on his attack potency section, as it's very likely a result of his powers slowly reaching Dracula's Wraith levels (But not on the same level, as it needed the relics to reach that form), however, Juste took down Dracula's Wraith and actually trashtalked it after defeating him, and said entity was far superior to Maxim, so his scaling to Juste should be removed
Attack Potency: Placeholder (His good persona was able to provide half the power to recreate the Castlevania) | Placeholder (Should be comparable to his good persona initially), up to Low Multiverse level (Portrayed as being stronger than Death, who is far superior to the Time Reaper, who threatened to erase all the Castlevania timelines)
Now, for the final step in Harmony's events, I want to create a profile for Dracula Wraith.
You may be thinking it's unnecessary, but Wraith is a completely different being than Dracula, going as far as saying that he had never felt the power of a Belmont before, despite fighting Juste in 1748, after 3 Belmonts already nuked Drac:
Defeating Dracula Wraith
(Juste defeats Dracula Wraith)
Dracula Wraith: Argggh!!
Juste: I told you so. Do not underestimate the power of my bloodline!!
Dracula Wraith: So- So this is the power of Belmont...
Juste: Vile spawn of Maxim, you are not worthy of being my opponent.
Dracula Wraith: I will now fade from this world... but I find some pleasure in this... with the cursed powers of yours, destiny calls you to hunt for all eternity.
(Dracula Wraith fades away)
It's a spirit created from his relics and the one who possessed Maxim, it's very clearly portrayed as the strongest enemy in the game even while being just a shadow of actual Dracula and that’s why he's relevant, improving our understanding of the series scaling.
My suggestion to his attack potency section is:
Attack Potency: Low Multiverse level (Stronger than Death, powered Maxim enough for him to match Juste Belmont for a limited amount of time and fought the Belmont after taking a physical form)
Here's the blog for his profile: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Lightning_XXI/Dracula's_Wraith
>Intelligence rework
This section focuses on rewriting the intelligence section in a few profiles
That's necessary because, in Castlevania, Magic is related to Quantum Physics (Most likely a fancy way to say Magic is Science that we do not understand), that's great, but it has consequences, as it's well known to be a difficult area of science to understand, and many Castlevania characters are users of magic, if not all of them. But does that mean they all are Geniuses ? I doubt, and the profiles do reflect this but some being listed as Gifted while having a vast amount of magical tricks, and others as Genius while having a smaller list of tricks, so here, in this CRT, I want to set a few standards to consider who's Gifted and who's a Genius by looking at the many ways one can showcase their undertanding of Quantum-Space shenanigans, or Magic, in other words.
From the Inteligence section:
Considering this, I want to separate the Castlevania characters into three levels of Magical prowess: User of Magic (Above Average), Skilled in Magic (Gifted) and Master Magician (Genius).
Users of Magic should include the characters that are not particularly notable in that field, can use some spells, but just like it happens in real life, years of training can allow Average IQ people to perform complex activities, and as such, characters with a baseline use of Magic should be here
Skilled in Magic are maybe the most common ones, as it would include characters with a vast array of magic for attack, defense or utility. Characters in this level must have different types of magic (At least 2 different uses for it, like Trevor who can perform Holy magic and Elemental Magic). Also, keep in mind it must come directly from the user, not by Sub-Items or relics that are capable of giving magic to the user to perform (Like the Stopwatch)
Masters of Magic are the real deal, and easily geniuses considering what they know and do. Characters here must have unique uses for their magic, have statements of being a master magician, showcase a vast knowledge on magic on dialogues, cutscenes, rituals, or have a huge amount of different magical tricks on their sleeves
So I'll form a list, and I invite you to agree, disagree or move characters between levels.
Users of Magic :
Skilled in Magic :
Masters of Magic :
Notice that I haven't included Chaos Creatures because, considering the absolutely busted amount of haxes they all have, they would all be listed at Masters, however, we need to discuss if being a Chaos creature grants you those abilities naturally or it grants you the knowledge needed to use them. Another point I want to highlight is the fact that I haven't forgotten about the Universal Energy System of the series, and I know that power and magic are one, but we must remember that the mastery of magic has nothing to do with your AP, but rather in the different haxes that you possess just by using such magical mastery, that's why characters more powerful than Masters may have a lower intelligence, since their arsenal is not so vast, only their pure AP is superior
Exceptions: Dracula/Soma and Barlowe, as they are listed at "Extraordinary Genius" for different reasons rather than magic.
My proposal here is about two profiles from Harmony of Dissonance, a new profile from someone of that game, a new profile for the overall series and then it's all about Magic and the current inteligence section for the characters, as I believe it's currently lacking a few standards to better separate users of magic and experts of magic
We'll start with Juste Belmont and Maxim
>Harmony of Dissonance additions
Juste is currently scaled above Death by, well, defeating him and the Wraith of Dracula, but going through the japanese raws from his game's guide, I found this statement:
ジュスト･ベルモンド
今作の主人公
最油のヴァンパイアハンターといわれるベルモンド
ヴェルナンデス家の血を色く受け継いでいるため､
を持つ。
の間でも才と呼ばれるほどの才礎で、
若干16歳で先祖伝来の職ヴァンパイアキラーを受け継ぐ。
Which translates to:
"Juste Belmondo
The main character of this work
Belmondo is said to be the best vampire hunter because he inherited the blood of the Vernandez -Belnades- family. He is so talented that he is called talented even among the people, and he inherited his ancestral job of Vampire Killer at the age of 16"
Notice how the statement is directly tied to Juste because he is indeed the Belmont who has the biggest connection to the Belnades and the most skilled in magic. Therefore, he, even at 18, is stronger than Simon Belmont, and this is the actual most important scaling for him, as Simon is vastly above Death and Dracula Wraith
Thus, I believe Juste's Attack Potency section should be:
>Attack Potency: Low Multiverse level (Considered to be the strongest vampire hunter up until his time, which makes him stronger than Simon Belmont. Defeated Dracula Wraith who's above Death, who's capable of destroying the Time Reaper, who threatened to erase all the Castlevania timelines)
Next character is Maxim. Currently Maxim is listed as 2-C for keeping up with Juste, which is fair, but represents only the possessed version of Maxim, not Human, Base Maxim. So this is actually an argument for a new key for him, leaving his Evil Persona with a different scaling. Human Maxim is stated to be Juste's rival, however, that's for their younger years, Harmony's Plot is all about Maxim feeling inferior to Juste after he got his Belmont shenanigans going on (Beats me on how Maxim ever hoped to be equal to him but whatever). I'll use Castlevania's Wiki Dialogue Page to quote them:
Maxim: The day you inherited the title of Vampire Hunter... I felt as if a wall had been erected between us... and for that reason I set out on my expedition. I wanted to be better than you and relieve you of your fate.
Juste: ...
Maxim: Long ago, you told me of Dracula's remains. Do you remember that?
Juste: Yes, I remember. The story of how my grandfather, Simon, gathered Dracula's remains and destroyed them to undo his curse.
Maxim: I thought my wishes would be granted if I too could gather and destroy them.
Juste: What?! You found them?
Maxim: According to legend, it's still too early for Dracula's resurrection. It is not like anyone is cursed right now either. At first, I was doubtful that I could find all his remains... But I uncovered six parts, as if guided by a higher being...
Juste: That's impossible...
Maxim: I have little memory of what occurred after that, but the remains have vanished. I do remember clearly though that Lydie was kidnapped....
Juste: If true, Dracula's bodily remains may be giving rise to this castle...
Maxim: Forgive me. This is all my fault...
Juste: I'm not the one you should be seeking forgiveness from...
Maxim: ?!
Juste: You ought to apologize to Lydie first. We must hurry and find her.
Maxim: Yes. Yes, you're right. OK, I'll be off then.
Juste: Maxim... I believe in you.
Maxim: Thanks, Juste...
(Maxim leaves)
This shows how Human Base Maxim isn't really at Juste's level and his inferior power is what made the game possible, so I won't scale him to 2-C. Still, Maxim's problems start when he develops a 2nd personality, a spirit that appeared after he started to gather Dracula's Relics, that generated two "Castlevanias" that represented Maxim's broken persona:
First Encounter with Death
???: Halt! The color of your soul... You must be a Belmont...
Juste: That is correct. This... overwhelming power... Death...?
Death: Indeed.
Juste: Which means this is, in fact, Dracula's castle...
Death: That might be true... though the power that is here is not my lord's.
Juste: What do you mean?!
Death: I must go now. We shall meet again, son of Belmont...
(Death vanishes away with evil laughter)
Juste: Aaargh... He... got away...
(Juste shakes his fist)
Here Death directly says the Castle wasn't created by Dracula's power yet, only Maxim's
Death Battle
(Juste shakes his fist to Death with anger)
Juste: So this is where you were! Return Lydie to me!
Death: Fear not. That maiden is now with Maxim.
Juste: But why!? Leave Lydie out of this!
Death: That maiden will play an essential role in the completion of this castle.
Juste: What do you mean by that!?
Death: This castle is in a transient state and is preparing for my lord's resurrection. However, the castle is not complete until these two castles have merged. In short, we must rid of your dear friend's spirit.
Juste: Maxim is a man of great strength! It won't be so easy to do as you plan!!
Death: He was born of my lord, so of course he knows ways to reinforce his power. When something is dear to you, its effect on you becomes immeasurable.
Juste: ?! No, surely not... not Lydie's blood... Stay away from her!
Death: Do not interfere. Now, I will extinguish the candle of your soul!
(The battle begins)
This is a important quote: "the castle is not complete until these two castles have merged. In short, we must rid of your dear friend's spirit" because it shows we can't scale Maxim to the full extent of Castlevania's power.
Second Encounter with Death
(Juste arrives at the portal and encounters with Death again)
Juste: Aaargh! Death has returned!
Death: Mortal... you know of a man by the name of 'Maxim,' do you not?
Juste: Yes, I do! What about him?!
Death: I believe that man has discovered objects that hold my lord's powers.
Juste: ?! You mean Dracula's remains...
Death: My lord's fragmented remains?! Now it makes perfect sense...
Juste: What on earth are you talking about?!
Death: You have provided me with an answer. So I shall reward you with an explanation. It's simple. This castle is a creation of Maxim's will.
Juste: What?! But he's not capable of such a feat!
Death: True of the original Maxim, but possession of my lord's remains changes everything. The castles' two spirits now embody my lord's powers.
Juste: The castles' 'two' spirits?!
Death: Two spirits exist now within his body. His original spirit and a wicked spirit born from my lord's remains.
Juste: What a ridiculous notion...
Death: And so, two castles were born to embody the two spirits. Of the two spirits, the wicked one wanted the castles most.
Juste: Wait a minute! What do you mean by 'two castles'?!
Death: Ignorant mortal... Don't you realize that this castle has two "layers"? I don't want to have anything more to do with you. Farewell!
(Death enters the portal with evil laughter)
Juste: W-wait! Are you running away from me?
Death: This castle, as it is now, is a transient one. I must go and aid its completion...
(Death leaves)
Keep in mind Juste believes in Human Maxim to the very end, and his quote of him not being able to to do such a feat is more likely about his morals instead of power, it would also be contradictory with all the information we have to Maxim simply not be able to give half the power for a Castlevania where that's literally what happened. So basically, Human Maxim and Evil Maxim made two "half" Castlevanias, and once both are merged, it would result in the full extent of said being. This leaves me in doubt because I have no idea what "half Low 2-C" is, could be 3-A or could be just a weaker Low 2-C, I'll leave that to a debate in the comments. Evil Maxim would be eventually capable of fighting Juste and be portrayed as being stronger than Death by the end of the game, so I'd rather show both of these levels on his attack potency section, as it's very likely a result of his powers slowly reaching Dracula's Wraith levels (But not on the same level, as it needed the relics to reach that form), however, Juste took down Dracula's Wraith and actually trashtalked it after defeating him, and said entity was far superior to Maxim, so his scaling to Juste should be removed
Attack Potency: Placeholder (His good persona was able to provide half the power to recreate the Castlevania) | Placeholder (Should be comparable to his good persona initially), up to Low Multiverse level (Portrayed as being stronger than Death, who is far superior to the Time Reaper, who threatened to erase all the Castlevania timelines)
Now, for the final step in Harmony's events, I want to create a profile for Dracula Wraith.
You may be thinking it's unnecessary, but Wraith is a completely different being than Dracula, going as far as saying that he had never felt the power of a Belmont before, despite fighting Juste in 1748, after 3 Belmonts already nuked Drac:
Defeating Dracula Wraith
(Juste defeats Dracula Wraith)
Dracula Wraith: Argggh!!
Juste: I told you so. Do not underestimate the power of my bloodline!!
Dracula Wraith: So- So this is the power of Belmont...
Juste: Vile spawn of Maxim, you are not worthy of being my opponent.
Dracula Wraith: I will now fade from this world... but I find some pleasure in this... with the cursed powers of yours, destiny calls you to hunt for all eternity.
(Dracula Wraith fades away)
It's a spirit created from his relics and the one who possessed Maxim, it's very clearly portrayed as the strongest enemy in the game even while being just a shadow of actual Dracula and that’s why he's relevant, improving our understanding of the series scaling.
My suggestion to his attack potency section is:
Attack Potency: Low Multiverse level (Stronger than Death, powered Maxim enough for him to match Juste Belmont for a limited amount of time and fought the Belmont after taking a physical form)
Here's the blog for his profile: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Lightning_XXI/Dracula's_Wraith
>Intelligence rework
This section focuses on rewriting the intelligence section in a few profiles
That's necessary because, in Castlevania, Magic is related to Quantum Physics (Most likely a fancy way to say Magic is Science that we do not understand), that's great, but it has consequences, as it's well known to be a difficult area of science to understand, and many Castlevania characters are users of magic, if not all of them. But does that mean they all are Geniuses ? I doubt, and the profiles do reflect this but some being listed as Gifted while having a vast amount of magical tricks, and others as Genius while having a smaller list of tricks, so here, in this CRT, I want to set a few standards to consider who's Gifted and who's a Genius by looking at the many ways one can showcase their undertanding of Quantum-Space shenanigans, or Magic, in other words.
From the Inteligence section:
Considering this, I want to separate the Castlevania characters into three levels of Magical prowess: User of Magic (Above Average), Skilled in Magic (Gifted) and Master Magician (Genius).
Users of Magic should include the characters that are not particularly notable in that field, can use some spells, but just like it happens in real life, years of training can allow Average IQ people to perform complex activities, and as such, characters with a baseline use of Magic should be here
Skilled in Magic are maybe the most common ones, as it would include characters with a vast array of magic for attack, defense or utility. Characters in this level must have different types of magic (At least 2 different uses for it, like Trevor who can perform Holy magic and Elemental Magic). Also, keep in mind it must come directly from the user, not by Sub-Items or relics that are capable of giving magic to the user to perform (Like the Stopwatch)
Masters of Magic are the real deal, and easily geniuses considering what they know and do. Characters here must have unique uses for their magic, have statements of being a master magician, showcase a vast knowledge on magic on dialogues, cutscenes, rituals, or have a huge amount of different magical tricks on their sleeves
So I'll form a list, and I invite you to agree, disagree or move characters between levels.
Users of Magic :
Skilled in Magic :
Masters of Magic :
Notice that I haven't included Chaos Creatures because, considering the absolutely busted amount of haxes they all have, they would all be listed at Masters, however, we need to discuss if being a Chaos creature grants you those abilities naturally or it grants you the knowledge needed to use them. Another point I want to highlight is the fact that I haven't forgotten about the Universal Energy System of the series, and I know that power and magic are one, but we must remember that the mastery of magic has nothing to do with your AP, but rather in the different haxes that you possess just by using such magical mastery, that's why characters more powerful than Masters may have a lower intelligence, since their arsenal is not so vast, only their pure AP is superior
Exceptions: Dracula/Soma and Barlowe, as they are listed at "Extraordinary Genius" for different reasons rather than magic.
