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Mako vs Sheele

This is a tough one. Sheele's durability is 9-A without parrying with Extase here. And furthermore, Sheele is barely above baseline. Low 7-C with Extase.

Sheele will more than likely go on the defensive initially. As she cannot afford to really take any damage here. However, Sheele is also a seasoned Assassin, and fighter despite being an airhead. As opposed to Mako who has mostly gone up against people that are rather... featless combat skill wise.

But sooner or later, Sheele will resort to her trump card, blinding Mako. With this, Sheele ill finish the job by clipping off her head or something.

My vote goes to Sheele Mid-High diff.
 
I'm pretty sure any Night Raid not named Chelsea can destroy Mako with skills, no? A few hits to the joints with Extase and Mako is dead meat

Who has the AP advantage? Can't find the calc for Bols' Rubicante self-destruct
 
So Mako is 2.6x stronger

Still giving it to Sheele though. A blinding flash of light + attacks on the weak body parts should seal the deal
 
Mako is a very casual 2.7 KT on top of being one of the most skilled "normal students" in the series, noted by both Inumuta and Sanageyama. She also has a good range advantage.
 
range attacks that can be dodged. They are not omni-directional

And I'm sorry. But I seriously can't see Mako on the same level of skills as any Night Raid. At all.

Also she has no answer to Sheele's trump card
 
The feat alone that gives her her tier is causing an 80+ meter shockwave. She also has several ranged explosives and thrown weapons and her Fight Club Uniform can create a fist several dozen meters long
 
Just re-checked the scene where Mako makes the crater. It was most certainly not casual. Let alone very casual as you claim. Mako was clearly aggravated, and screaming when she made that crater.
 
yeah, that's if the punch actually lands. You can't expect assassins with limited range like Sheele or Akame to not be able to analyse the target's movement to dodge and get close for the kill.
 
@Versus The punch she used was literally her not wanting to fight and trying to not hurt Ryuko, it was absolutely casual
 
@Graf The feat is of her creating a shockwave by punching the ground, creating an omnidirectional blast. Her punch doesnt need to hit Sheele, hell even is Sheele dodges it the force behind Mako's punch will still hit her.
 
Graf Thorsdottir said:
Also Extase was unscratched by a Pumpkin blast that vaporized a guy who withstood hits from Incursio. It can tank Mako's attacks
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Yeah, Extase is that durable, Sheele is not, she tries to block and she gets hit with the force behind Mako's attack like Ryuko did when she blocked
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Versus The punch she used was literally her not wanting to fight and trying to not hurt Ryuko, it was absolutely casual
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Mako was not even hurting Ryuko to begin with. So how can that be relevant here? Mako was literally beating on Ryuko for several hours, and barely managed to put bruises and scratches on her.

If a character is aggravated and screaming during a feat, it is not casual. Nor can we assume that it was based on assumptions.
 
She wasnt aggrivated or screaming, she was crying her eyes out because she realized the error of her ways and renounced them, hence why she didnt want to figh anymore and didnt want to hurt Ryuko.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
She wasnt aggrivated or screaming, she was crying her eyes out because she realized the error of her ways and renounced them, hence why she didnt want to figh anymore and didnt want to hurt Ryuko.
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Okay and? There's not enough here to assume it was a casual feat. At best, it's a feat done with moderate effort.

You're also under the asumption that Mako will go for the kill right away. IIRC she's never killed anyone. While Sheele won't hesitate to kill her. Combine this with Sheele's clear skill advantage, and the ability to blind her with her trump card.

It's clear as day that Sheele wins.
 
She was literally trying to kill Ryuko the entire time they were fighting

And you havent explained how Sheele deals with Mako's massive range advantage
 
Mako has:

  • Higher AP and durability
  • Isnt a glass cannon
  • Has comparable combat skill
  • Has much more range, danmaku thrown weapons, and massive aoe attacks
Sheele has:

  • The ability to blind her oppoonent
Its painfully obvious who wins here
 
Yeah. Literally just rewatched Ryuko vs Mako.

Punches need to land/ be blocked to create shockwaves. Sheele analyses and dodges.

Only things moderately dangerous in Mako's arsenal are the rocket and her punches. Rocket that doesn't home and can be dodged. Punches which I explained above.

About casualness or not. Versus explained it.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
She was literally trying to kill Ryuko the entire time they were fighting
And you havent explained how Sheele deals with Mako's massive range advantage
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Didn't you literally just say that Mako was trying to not hurt Ryuko?

I wouldnt call "Dozens of meters" massive. Especially compared to someone who has dealt with ranged opponents before. (EG Seryu) Sheele can more than likely slice through any weapon Mako creates, considering the durability needed to be unaffected by the edge of a blade is far far greater than the energy needed to be immune to melee strikes from someone.

The Shockwave is useless since all of the energy is directed into the ground, and spread out over a large area.

Sheele still wins, with Mid-High diff.
 
@Versus Yeah, at the end, during the fight she was explicitly trying to kill Ryuko

Seryu? You mean the girl who literally killed her? And who didnt have any actual AoE attacks until AFTER their fight? Sheele has NEVER dealt with AoE before.

Tell that to everyone who was damaged by the shockwave when she used it and the Elite Four who were sent flying.
 
Okay. Weekly. Just please stop

WeeklyBattles said:
She was literally trying to kill Ryuko the entire time they were fighting
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She was literally holding back in hope that her family will stop her. After seeing the crater Ryuko literally said Mako never attacked her all-out

And how is throwing stuff at her opponents and punching comparable to analysing the opponent's movement while fighting?
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Versus Yeah, at the end, during the fight she was explicitly trying to kill Ryuko
Seryu? You mean the girl who literally killed her? And who didnt have any actual AoE attacks until AFTER their fight?

Tell that to everyone who was damaged by the shockwave when she used it and the Elite Four who were sent flying.
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I'd also like to point out that most of this Mako's feats consist of stomping fodders with no Low 7-C feats or anything like that. Her only feat of battling someone she didn't stomp was Ryuko. Who didn't even try, and went on for several hours with only moderate damage in the end. This was a situational mindset, again you know this. This is a random encounter, so I doubt Mako will be motivated to kill right off the bat. Especially since she didn't go all out to kill all the other club presidents.

That was not Seryu neccesarily. She landed more of a stunning blow. Koro finished the job.

Being sent flying /=/ being harmed. You know this.
 
@Graf No, she was trying to kill Ryuko so their new rich lifestyle wouldnt be taken away by Satsuki

Because if Sheele gets hit once she gets turned to paste? And Sheele has never had to deal with danmaku or explosives either.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Graf No, she was trying to kill Ryuko so their new rich lifestyle wouldnt be taken away by Satsuki
Because if Sheele gets hit once she gets turned to paste? And Sheele has never had to deal with danmaku or explosives either.
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Honestly i think that I messed up Sheele's durability a bit in the revisions. The fact that she was able to casually block Koro's attacks with extase without her body just crunching apart, obviously shows that her dura is likely somewhat comparable to extase in reality.
 
@Versus Because she only had her goku uniform for one episode until the end of the series.

Even worse for Sheele's case

It does when your opponent only has 9-A durability
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Versus Because she only had her goku uniform for one episode until the end of the series.
Even worse for Sheele's case

It does when your opponent only has 9-A durability
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That shockwave obviously didn't turn a bunch of Tier 10 characters into paste now did it? Unless Sheele's body is hit directly with a punch (Witch me and Graf already proved is unlikely) a shockwave is only going to blast Sheele around.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Because there were no 10-As present
Sheele is not surviving a Low 7-C attack in her face
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So you're telling me those guys are all Tier 7 with no feats whatsoever?

Mako won't even be able to move if Sheele manages to impale her, cut off a limb, etc. Sheele is likely to lead by taking Mako's limbs after seeing how she fights for awhile.

What will she do then?

Weekly, you've been debunked repeatedly. It's time to stop.
 
Mako was holding back the entire fight with Ryuko. That's made clear when she actually does use her full strength, it's much stronger than before, and Ryuko states that she was holding back against her.
 
No, because they werent at the epicenter. Theyre 9-B at best. Sheele is 9-A in durability and will be tanking it to the face. She's not surviving.

Sheele doesnt have the range to hit Mako when she uses ranged attacks.

What is stopping Mako from binding her in a chain and ragdolling her? What's stopping her from jumping into the air and hitting Sheele with a shit ton of weapons? Whats stopping Mako from hitting Sheele with a missile with a massive AoE?
 
Monarch Laciel said:
Mako was holding back the entire fight with Ryuko. That's made clear when she actually does use her full strength, it's much stronger than before, and Ryuko states that she was holding back against her.
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Unquantifiable. Numbers are numbers. Mako's feat was 2.6 ish kilotons with moderate effort. Maybe marginally higher at best.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
No, because they werent at the epicenter. Theyre 9-B at best. Sheele is 9-A in durability and will be tanking it to the face. She's not surviving.
Sheele doesnt have the range to hit Mako when she uses ranged attacks.

What is stopping Mako from binding her in a chain and ragdolling her? What's stopping her from jumping into the air and hitting Sheele with a shit ton of weapons? Whats stopping Mako from hitting Sheele with a missile with a massive AoE?
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Sheele's skill advantage, ability to anylize her moves. And can quite easily cut down any attack that comes her way.

Sheele can, and will block the attack with Extase.

When was there a missile with "Massive AOE"?.

You're constantly making asumptions here. Mako does not lead with homicidal mindset. Especially not against someone she does not even know, or have a motivation to fight in the first place.
 
> A 9-A durability character blocking an AoE low 7-C attack.

Uhhh no. Those scissors are not big enough to block an AoE.
 
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